1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,510 [Music] 2 00:00:08,710 --> 00:00:06,869 there's a whole fleet of them look on 3 00:00:10,950 --> 00:00:08,720 the assay 4 00:00:14,310 --> 00:00:10,960 oh my gosh they're all going against the 5 00:00:18,950 --> 00:00:16,390 it was basically a cube with inside of 6 00:00:22,820 --> 00:00:18,960 sphere where the points of the cube 7 00:00:33,110 --> 00:00:22,830 were touching outside of sphere 8 00:00:38,709 --> 00:00:37,190 [Music] 9 00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:38,719 so this isn't anything that just is 10 00:00:49,670 --> 00:00:40,960 limited to the united states it's a 11 00:00:53,350 --> 00:00:51,670 folks coming back from that message for 12 00:00:54,869 --> 00:00:53,360 the awesome shadows of your mind 13 00:00:56,869 --> 00:00:54,879 magazine i have a guest who will 14 00:00:59,029 --> 00:00:56,879 actually be appearing in shadows of your 15 00:01:01,349 --> 00:00:59,039 mind magazine next week in an interview 16 00:01:02,630 --> 00:01:01,359 that'll no doubt be in the next issue 17 00:01:05,030 --> 00:01:02,640 released probably around the end of 18 00:01:06,950 --> 00:01:05,040 october no pressure dave on the magazine 19 00:01:09,270 --> 00:01:06,960 for that one um but when i announced 20 00:01:11,109 --> 00:01:09,280 this guest on twitter i got a deluge of 21 00:01:13,510 --> 00:01:11,119 questions on a variety of different 22 00:01:15,670 --> 00:01:13,520 subjects a few people actually asked if 23 00:01:16,950 --> 00:01:15,680 it was going to be an ama that's an ask 24 00:01:19,190 --> 00:01:16,960 me anything if you're not one of the 25 00:01:21,670 --> 00:01:19,200 cool kids out there they're very popular 26 00:01:23,350 --> 00:01:21,680 on reddit these days and that allowed me 27 00:01:25,830 --> 00:01:23,360 to really shape the show so a lot of 28 00:01:27,749 --> 00:01:25,840 this show um at the behest of the guest 29 00:01:29,030 --> 00:01:27,759 as well is going to be based on your 30 00:01:30,950 --> 00:01:29,040 questions after a little bit of 31 00:01:33,749 --> 00:01:30,960 background um so i'd like to welcome 32 00:01:37,109 --> 00:01:33,759 researcher author forensic investigator 33 00:01:39,510 --> 00:01:37,119 former dod employee lobbyist among many 34 00:01:40,789 --> 00:01:39,520 many things i've got chase kloetzke on 35 00:01:41,990 --> 00:01:40,799 the show chase how are you doing this 36 00:01:43,910 --> 00:01:42,000 evening 37 00:01:45,270 --> 00:01:43,920 i am doing great and thank you so much 38 00:01:46,950 --> 00:01:45,280 for having me on i've been looking 39 00:01:48,230 --> 00:01:46,960 forward to this you know i love the 40 00:01:50,389 --> 00:01:48,240 young guns 41 00:01:52,789 --> 00:01:50,399 as you were just saying yeah um i mean 42 00:01:54,149 --> 00:01:52,799 34 it's like god it's rare i get 43 00:01:55,830 --> 00:01:54,159 referred to as young these days but 44 00:01:57,990 --> 00:01:55,840 though i'll i'll totally take that and 45 00:01:59,749 --> 00:01:58,000 um again people like yourself have been 46 00:02:01,350 --> 00:01:59,759 involved in this field now for you know 47 00:02:03,670 --> 00:02:01,360 i don't like to put an age on it but for 48 00:02:05,350 --> 00:02:03,680 so long and done a lot of amazing work 49 00:02:07,030 --> 00:02:05,360 um it's great for me to get to speak to 50 00:02:08,790 --> 00:02:07,040 people yourself so i really appreciate 51 00:02:11,430 --> 00:02:08,800 it um 52 00:02:13,030 --> 00:02:11,440 like i said chase this is the most 53 00:02:14,790 --> 00:02:13,040 number of questions i've ever had for a 54 00:02:16,790 --> 00:02:14,800 guest so far on the podcast and i've had 55 00:02:18,390 --> 00:02:16,800 some great names and some great people 56 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:18,400 and i didn't give people a whole lot of 57 00:02:21,990 --> 00:02:20,160 notice for you coming on either so to 58 00:02:23,910 --> 00:02:22,000 get the volume of questions i got i was 59 00:02:26,470 --> 00:02:23,920 i was very excited and normally i would 60 00:02:28,949 --> 00:02:26,480 run through and do my own i would never 61 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:28,959 label myself as a researcher i am not a 62 00:02:33,350 --> 00:02:30,720 researcher okay i'm too lazy to be a 63 00:02:34,790 --> 00:02:33,360 researcher ask anyone who knows me um 64 00:02:37,190 --> 00:02:34,800 but what i will do is ask a lot of 65 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:37,200 questions but my listeners done it for 66 00:02:42,869 --> 00:02:39,840 me on this one and the questions were 67 00:02:45,910 --> 00:02:42,879 amazing so really it's almost more of a 68 00:02:47,430 --> 00:02:45,920 chase ama uh which i'm really excited to 69 00:02:48,830 --> 00:02:47,440 hear a lot of your answers to and we'll 70 00:02:52,070 --> 00:02:48,840 obviously follow up 71 00:02:54,550 --> 00:02:52,080 on i love it i really love it um you 72 00:02:56,309 --> 00:02:54,560 know especially the the questions and 73 00:02:57,990 --> 00:02:56,319 when we do the ama 74 00:03:00,070 --> 00:02:58,000 it you get the smartest questions 75 00:03:03,110 --> 00:03:00,080 sometimes from the group i love anyway 76 00:03:04,550 --> 00:03:03,120 so let's go yeah the questions were good 77 00:03:06,070 --> 00:03:04,560 there was nothing that i felt i had to 78 00:03:08,790 --> 00:03:06,080 take out that i was like no i can't ask 79 00:03:10,869 --> 00:03:08,800 her that um but listen uh before that 80 00:03:13,830 --> 00:03:10,879 i've got to discuss your your background 81 00:03:16,070 --> 00:03:13,840 as extensive in the field of ufology so 82 00:03:18,550 --> 00:03:16,080 what was your first involvement with ufo 83 00:03:20,949 --> 00:03:18,560 or uaps growing up 84 00:03:24,070 --> 00:03:20,959 yeah i think what sparked the interest 85 00:03:25,910 --> 00:03:24,080 in ufos was a book by eric fondanigan 86 00:03:29,430 --> 00:03:25,920 chariots of the god and yes i'm old and 87 00:03:31,430 --> 00:03:29,440 grumpy and like it was way back and i 88 00:03:33,030 --> 00:03:31,440 was home sick so you know my stepmother 89 00:03:35,270 --> 00:03:33,040 handed me this book and i'm like yeah 90 00:03:37,190 --> 00:03:35,280 religious you talk about god then after 91 00:03:39,350 --> 00:03:37,200 you know peyton or how many times can 92 00:03:42,149 --> 00:03:39,360 you count the ceiling tiles that i just 93 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:42,159 decided to pick it up and i was stuck 94 00:03:46,789 --> 00:03:44,080 first i didn't know you could question 95 00:03:48,229 --> 00:03:46,799 things like biblical context or 96 00:03:50,789 --> 00:03:48,239 interpretation 97 00:03:53,190 --> 00:03:50,799 i kind of i was blown away by it 98 00:03:55,350 --> 00:03:53,200 completely at that moment was hooked 99 00:03:58,630 --> 00:03:55,360 into trying to find the answers or 100 00:04:00,149 --> 00:03:58,640 helping the people with experiences 101 00:04:02,070 --> 00:04:00,159 i mean that's that's a pretty famous 102 00:04:03,830 --> 00:04:02,080 book to quote and anyone who knows 103 00:04:05,910 --> 00:04:03,840 ancient aliens a show you've appeared on 104 00:04:08,630 --> 00:04:05,920 before is chariots of the gods is 105 00:04:10,309 --> 00:04:08,640 referred to constantly and it's a book 106 00:04:12,550 --> 00:04:10,319 that spawned a lot of other books and 107 00:04:13,910 --> 00:04:12,560 spin-offs and debates and like you say 108 00:04:15,429 --> 00:04:13,920 something i'm not religious in the 109 00:04:17,030 --> 00:04:15,439 slightest i know a lot of the listeners 110 00:04:18,870 --> 00:04:17,040 are and that's again up to to people to 111 00:04:21,349 --> 00:04:18,880 have their own views but like it was one 112 00:04:23,510 --> 00:04:21,359 of the first texts like you say that 113 00:04:25,510 --> 00:04:23,520 really allowed you to question so here's 114 00:04:27,590 --> 00:04:25,520 the bible and let's just say this is 115 00:04:29,830 --> 00:04:27,600 true what about this interpretation of 116 00:04:31,350 --> 00:04:29,840 it and that's a really fascinating thing 117 00:04:32,790 --> 00:04:31,360 to think about especially at a young age 118 00:04:33,830 --> 00:04:32,800 and that's that's what got you into it 119 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:33,840 yeah 120 00:04:41,430 --> 00:04:38,560 was a big deal for me i i think the 121 00:04:43,749 --> 00:04:41,440 thing that shocked me the most was 122 00:04:45,670 --> 00:04:43,759 they were not only smart questions 123 00:04:47,510 --> 00:04:45,680 but they were questions i may have asked 124 00:04:49,749 --> 00:04:47,520 you know it's kind of like you know you 125 00:04:51,350 --> 00:04:49,759 hear about moses 40 years in the desert 126 00:04:53,430 --> 00:04:51,360 i kind of think sometimes there's always 127 00:04:55,430 --> 00:04:53,440 a chase in the group that after about 128 00:04:58,790 --> 00:04:55,440 three years i would have said hey mom 129 00:05:00,710 --> 00:04:58,800 can i see that bat for a minute right 130 00:05:02,310 --> 00:05:00,720 so i loved it when i saw that i thought 131 00:05:04,950 --> 00:05:02,320 it was great it was a great book and 132 00:05:06,710 --> 00:05:04,960 that started everything about my passion 133 00:05:07,990 --> 00:05:06,720 yeah i love context and knowing a bit 134 00:05:09,670 --> 00:05:08,000 more and you know you've always got to 135 00:05:11,350 --> 00:05:09,680 ask that extra question and find out you 136 00:05:12,629 --> 00:05:11,360 know where are we going and that's a 137 00:05:13,990 --> 00:05:12,639 great thing about that book that got a 138 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:14,000 lot of people into the subject 139 00:05:17,350 --> 00:05:15,759 especially you know when it was written 140 00:05:18,629 --> 00:05:17,360 and it's something that stands up even 141 00:05:20,629 --> 00:05:18,639 now and that's why it's constantly 142 00:05:21,590 --> 00:05:20,639 reprinted republished and updated as 143 00:05:24,150 --> 00:05:21,600 well 144 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:24,160 did you have any early experiences of 145 00:05:27,830 --> 00:05:25,840 sightings so you're saying you were 16 146 00:05:29,670 --> 00:05:27,840 when you got into this book but take me 147 00:05:32,950 --> 00:05:29,680 back to then 148 00:05:35,830 --> 00:05:32,960 yeah it wasn't until you know i really 149 00:05:37,830 --> 00:05:35,840 put full time into ufology and in ufo 150 00:05:38,629 --> 00:05:37,840 investigations and truthfully 151 00:05:40,070 --> 00:05:38,639 they 152 00:05:41,270 --> 00:05:40,080 are 153 00:05:43,670 --> 00:05:41,280 you have to get in the field you have to 154 00:05:45,990 --> 00:05:43,680 put boots around sciences and the more 155 00:05:47,909 --> 00:05:46,000 you do it the better your chances are of 156 00:05:50,390 --> 00:05:47,919 running into something i've had a few of 157 00:05:52,629 --> 00:05:50,400 them actually um i had one that 158 00:05:55,110 --> 00:05:52,639 absolutely changed my life and it was 159 00:05:56,870 --> 00:05:55,120 really one second that did it as crazy 160 00:05:58,469 --> 00:05:56,880 as that sounds let me go 161 00:06:00,870 --> 00:05:58,479 so 162 00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:00,880 we were i got this call from a witness 163 00:06:05,830 --> 00:06:04,240 or assignment for mufon at the time and 164 00:06:08,790 --> 00:06:05,840 he lived in tennessee like way in the 165 00:06:11,590 --> 00:06:08,800 woods in tennessee and he 166 00:06:14,710 --> 00:06:11,600 was reporting like these orbs and these 167 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:14,720 orange orbs and certain things and so i 168 00:06:18,710 --> 00:06:16,720 started talking to him and investigating 169 00:06:20,870 --> 00:06:18,720 and doing our you know questions get a 170 00:06:22,070 --> 00:06:20,880 statement you know challenge questions 171 00:06:23,830 --> 00:06:22,080 all of this 172 00:06:26,390 --> 00:06:23,840 and then i i was supposed to go out 173 00:06:28,469 --> 00:06:26,400 there so he he said it happens all the 174 00:06:30,309 --> 00:06:28,479 time so when you hear that it's like 175 00:06:31,990 --> 00:06:30,319 okay all the time so let me come out and 176 00:06:34,710 --> 00:06:32,000 check out all the time 177 00:06:37,430 --> 00:06:34,720 and we had a time set but that we had 178 00:06:38,230 --> 00:06:37,440 this huge flood between memphis 179 00:06:42,469 --> 00:06:38,240 and 180 00:06:44,150 --> 00:06:42,479 flood it was epic it was huge so that 181 00:06:46,790 --> 00:06:44,160 kind of delayed things for a while but i 182 00:06:48,230 --> 00:06:46,800 eventually got out there with an and i'm 183 00:06:49,909 --> 00:06:48,240 kind of skipping through this quickly 184 00:06:51,430 --> 00:06:49,919 because it's a long story obviously it 185 00:06:52,629 --> 00:06:51,440 was a whole night but i'll hit the 186 00:06:55,749 --> 00:06:52,639 details 187 00:06:57,510 --> 00:06:55,759 so i i ended up going out there 188 00:06:59,830 --> 00:06:57,520 when things started clearing up a little 189 00:07:02,550 --> 00:06:59,840 with another investigator a mufon 190 00:07:04,950 --> 00:07:02,560 investigator and we pulled up in his 191 00:07:06,950 --> 00:07:04,960 driveway and he was just 192 00:07:08,870 --> 00:07:06,960 animated like oh my gosh it's already 193 00:07:11,510 --> 00:07:08,880 starting come here let let me show you 194 00:07:13,430 --> 00:07:11,520 so we walked from his driveway to kind 195 00:07:15,670 --> 00:07:13,440 of like the edge of the driveway where 196 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:15,680 you could see like the rest of his yard 197 00:07:18,150 --> 00:07:17,280 and he pointed up and he's like look at 198 00:07:20,550 --> 00:07:18,160 this 199 00:07:23,189 --> 00:07:20,560 and i said sure enough his freaking 200 00:07:25,189 --> 00:07:23,199 little like dots in the sky they're kind 201 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:25,199 of rotating together and then they all 202 00:07:29,270 --> 00:07:27,120 split up and then they come back but if 203 00:07:30,870 --> 00:07:29,280 you got sick of watching one of those 204 00:07:31,990 --> 00:07:30,880 you turn to your right there's another 205 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:32,000 group 206 00:07:36,390 --> 00:07:34,240 i was already freaking out like that's 207 00:07:38,790 --> 00:07:36,400 already more than i've ever seen before 208 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:38,800 and witnessed myself so i'm loving it 209 00:07:43,430 --> 00:07:40,560 but of course i'm already on the usual 210 00:07:44,869 --> 00:07:43,440 suspects satellites you know aircraft 211 00:07:46,710 --> 00:07:44,879 you know all these kind of things that i 212 00:07:47,909 --> 00:07:46,720 had already on my ipad right so i'm just 213 00:07:48,869 --> 00:07:47,919 like 214 00:07:50,550 --> 00:07:48,879 trying to 215 00:07:53,110 --> 00:07:50,560 go through them 216 00:07:55,110 --> 00:07:53,120 then he said i have this huge cornfield 217 00:07:57,110 --> 00:07:55,120 it will give us a panoramic view and 218 00:07:59,749 --> 00:07:57,120 that's probably the best spot to see 219 00:08:02,070 --> 00:07:59,759 things i'm like let's go so we jumped in 220 00:08:03,990 --> 00:08:02,080 as he had this big old truck yeah 221 00:08:04,869 --> 00:08:04,000 talking big old truck 222 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:04,879 and 223 00:08:14,710 --> 00:08:12,800 in the middle 224 00:08:16,230 --> 00:08:14,720 it would i've never seen corn i didn't 225 00:08:18,629 --> 00:08:16,240 know corn fields were that big i was 226 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:18,639 just like you this is all your corn like 227 00:08:23,029 --> 00:08:20,160 it was huge 228 00:08:24,150 --> 00:08:23,039 and it was surrounded by trees 229 00:08:26,629 --> 00:08:24,160 so 230 00:08:28,710 --> 00:08:26,639 i'm setting up my equipment and you know 231 00:08:30,390 --> 00:08:28,720 all of a sudden the witness is freaking 232 00:08:32,389 --> 00:08:30,400 out oh my god here it comes here comes 233 00:08:34,389 --> 00:08:32,399 chase this is what i want you to see 234 00:08:37,430 --> 00:08:34,399 and i look up and i see a white light 235 00:08:39,589 --> 00:08:37,440 coming and it's actually moving 236 00:08:41,670 --> 00:08:39,599 i don't see any aviation lights or you 237 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:41,680 know the signatures on you know certain 238 00:08:45,190 --> 00:08:44,000 things we see i'm looking for satellite 239 00:08:46,870 --> 00:08:45,200 kind of 240 00:08:49,190 --> 00:08:46,880 identification 241 00:08:52,150 --> 00:08:49,200 but then two more pop in and i'm like 242 00:08:53,110 --> 00:08:52,160 holy crap there's three of these right 243 00:08:54,790 --> 00:08:53,120 and 244 00:08:56,550 --> 00:08:54,800 then as it got closer 245 00:08:59,350 --> 00:08:56,560 i can tell it's starting to block out 246 00:09:00,150 --> 00:08:59,360 stars i'm like it's a triangle this is 247 00:09:02,470 --> 00:09:00,160 not 248 00:09:03,750 --> 00:09:02,480 three separate it's one object with 249 00:09:04,550 --> 00:09:03,760 three lights 250 00:09:06,710 --> 00:09:04,560 so 251 00:09:08,310 --> 00:09:06,720 i'm trying to pick up my camera um like 252 00:09:10,230 --> 00:09:08,320 an investigator i'm like it's right 253 00:09:13,110 --> 00:09:10,240 there this is the gold this is the 254 00:09:16,550 --> 00:09:13,120 golden brain this is everything i need 255 00:09:19,030 --> 00:09:16,560 nothing's working oh my gosh right 256 00:09:21,269 --> 00:09:19,040 my tri-film meter my cameras i had four 257 00:09:23,269 --> 00:09:21,279 cameras different makes and models and 258 00:09:26,630 --> 00:09:23,279 none of them was working i'm so 259 00:09:28,550 --> 00:09:26,640 frustrated i probably dropped the f-bomb 260 00:09:30,070 --> 00:09:28,560 i'm going to say probably 261 00:09:31,430 --> 00:09:30,080 but yeah i'm pretty sure i dropped the 262 00:09:33,350 --> 00:09:31,440 fbi 263 00:09:35,269 --> 00:09:33,360 like nothing's ever working you know i 264 00:09:37,350 --> 00:09:35,279 was just so frustrated because it's 265 00:09:38,949 --> 00:09:37,360 right there and 266 00:09:39,670 --> 00:09:38,959 that's that's what i need that's what i 267 00:09:42,070 --> 00:09:39,680 need 268 00:09:44,470 --> 00:09:42,080 anyway everything went offline nothing 269 00:09:45,750 --> 00:09:44,480 was working try feel meter like 270 00:09:48,710 --> 00:09:45,760 nothing 271 00:09:50,949 --> 00:09:48,720 so we continue to watch this triangle go 272 00:09:52,630 --> 00:09:50,959 completely over our heads and go off 273 00:09:55,110 --> 00:09:52,640 into the distance 274 00:09:57,190 --> 00:09:55,120 i did happen to catch a couple 275 00:09:59,190 --> 00:09:57,200 decent pictures of it way off but it's 276 00:10:01,350 --> 00:09:59,200 still light in the sky it wasn't a light 277 00:10:03,350 --> 00:10:01,360 in the sky when we saw it 278 00:10:05,670 --> 00:10:03,360 so anyway i'm freaking out i'm like so 279 00:10:07,750 --> 00:10:05,680 happy already i'm just like like this is 280 00:10:09,910 --> 00:10:07,760 so cool and 281 00:10:13,190 --> 00:10:09,920 we were just joyous actually the witness 282 00:10:16,630 --> 00:10:13,200 was very happy because he isn't crazy 283 00:10:17,350 --> 00:10:16,640 we saw the same thing he did so um but 284 00:10:19,910 --> 00:10:17,360 i'm 285 00:10:22,150 --> 00:10:19,920 worried because my equipment failed so i 286 00:10:23,590 --> 00:10:22,160 looked down everything's back online 287 00:10:26,230 --> 00:10:23,600 i really thought it was going to be a 288 00:10:28,949 --> 00:10:26,240 battery drain which we hear a lot of 289 00:10:31,829 --> 00:10:28,959 with close encounters or craft or even 290 00:10:35,110 --> 00:10:31,839 paranormal experiences bigfoot reports 291 00:10:35,910 --> 00:10:35,120 have even shown this or a latch this 292 00:10:39,750 --> 00:10:35,920 so 293 00:10:41,110 --> 00:10:39,760 it's not battery drain i don't care i'm 294 00:10:43,430 --> 00:10:41,120 going to change the batteries anyway so 295 00:10:46,230 --> 00:10:43,440 i'm like the my tri-film meter has 296 00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:46,240 little screws on the battery compartment 297 00:10:50,870 --> 00:10:48,240 and i was unscrewing that and all of a 298 00:10:53,350 --> 00:10:50,880 sudden i felt this 299 00:10:54,389 --> 00:10:53,360 this feeling and i said to the people in 300 00:10:56,069 --> 00:10:54,399 the field 301 00:10:58,150 --> 00:10:56,079 does anyone else feel like you're being 302 00:10:59,350 --> 00:10:58,160 watched and i said and i don't mean from 303 00:11:01,269 --> 00:10:59,360 up here 304 00:11:02,710 --> 00:11:01,279 and it was at that moment 305 00:11:05,910 --> 00:11:02,720 that this 306 00:11:06,949 --> 00:11:05,920 panic fear fight or flight times a 307 00:11:10,630 --> 00:11:06,959 thousand 308 00:11:13,350 --> 00:11:10,640 physically punched me in my body 309 00:11:15,829 --> 00:11:13,360 and every cell i had 310 00:11:17,829 --> 00:11:15,839 was completely in terror 311 00:11:20,230 --> 00:11:17,839 completely in terror 312 00:11:22,230 --> 00:11:20,240 so i start i turn around as and i'm 313 00:11:24,230 --> 00:11:22,240 turning and i notice the witness does 314 00:11:26,230 --> 00:11:24,240 the same thing and we just start running 315 00:11:26,870 --> 00:11:26,240 the other investigator was way ahead of 316 00:11:29,670 --> 00:11:26,880 us 317 00:11:32,550 --> 00:11:29,680 and she's running too nobody said what's 318 00:11:35,030 --> 00:11:32,560 that nobody said anything about being 319 00:11:36,949 --> 00:11:35,040 scary i just said being watched 320 00:11:39,590 --> 00:11:36,959 and all of a sudden we're running no one 321 00:11:41,750 --> 00:11:39,600 knows i was just like what 322 00:11:43,509 --> 00:11:41,760 as i'm running all i see is this light 323 00:11:45,269 --> 00:11:43,519 that's going left to right left to right 324 00:11:46,790 --> 00:11:45,279 left right and i couldn't take my eyes 325 00:11:49,350 --> 00:11:46,800 off that light 326 00:11:52,470 --> 00:11:49,360 turns out the witness had like one of 327 00:11:54,710 --> 00:11:52,480 those big halogen flashlights and it was 328 00:11:56,389 --> 00:11:54,720 as he's running it was it was his 329 00:11:58,310 --> 00:11:56,399 movement as he's running 330 00:12:00,870 --> 00:11:58,320 and then all of a sudden i just remember 331 00:12:01,829 --> 00:12:00,880 hitting something like i just ran into a 332 00:12:03,670 --> 00:12:01,839 wall 333 00:12:06,389 --> 00:12:03,680 and it was the witness 334 00:12:08,150 --> 00:12:06,399 and i heard him say what the f is that 335 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:08,160 and in his left arm he had the 336 00:12:11,910 --> 00:12:10,800 flashlight and he completely just moved 337 00:12:15,110 --> 00:12:11,920 it over 338 00:12:16,870 --> 00:12:15,120 and it landed completely on this gray 339 00:12:17,910 --> 00:12:16,880 this little being 340 00:12:20,550 --> 00:12:17,920 and 341 00:12:22,389 --> 00:12:20,560 i was shocked i i was so shocked that 342 00:12:25,190 --> 00:12:22,399 there was anything there 343 00:12:26,949 --> 00:12:25,200 next thing i know we're running again 344 00:12:28,629 --> 00:12:26,959 and we're running into 345 00:12:29,509 --> 00:12:28,639 we get into his truck 346 00:12:32,389 --> 00:12:29,519 um 347 00:12:34,389 --> 00:12:32,399 we pull out so fast so fast we caught a 348 00:12:36,710 --> 00:12:34,399 little air coming out of the cornfield 349 00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:36,720 we get this driveway we all kind of 350 00:12:41,509 --> 00:12:39,920 tumble out nobody's saying anything and 351 00:12:43,990 --> 00:12:41,519 i i think i was the one that broke the 352 00:12:45,509 --> 00:12:44,000 ice i'm just like what what just 353 00:12:49,269 --> 00:12:45,519 happened like 354 00:12:50,230 --> 00:12:49,279 why did we like well stop like everybody 355 00:12:52,310 --> 00:12:50,240 stop 356 00:12:53,910 --> 00:12:52,320 so i don't know when the fear left but i 357 00:12:55,110 --> 00:12:53,920 know by the time we got to the driveway 358 00:12:55,990 --> 00:12:55,120 it was gone 359 00:12:58,230 --> 00:12:56,000 um 360 00:12:59,590 --> 00:12:58,240 and truthfully 361 00:13:01,910 --> 00:12:59,600 there were things that we found out 362 00:13:03,509 --> 00:13:01,920 later so as we investigate further 363 00:13:05,430 --> 00:13:03,519 because we didn't discuss anything 364 00:13:06,949 --> 00:13:05,440 amongst ourselves i knew we needed the 365 00:13:08,550 --> 00:13:06,959 other investigator was walking down the 366 00:13:11,509 --> 00:13:08,560 driveway she was calling the state 367 00:13:13,110 --> 00:13:11,519 director like we now become witnesses we 368 00:13:14,389 --> 00:13:13,120 can't talk so 369 00:13:16,949 --> 00:13:14,399 but um 370 00:13:20,310 --> 00:13:16,959 in 30 minutes we're back in the corn 371 00:13:22,470 --> 00:13:20,320 field because i was freaking out i saw 372 00:13:24,710 --> 00:13:22,480 it being there's footprints maybe tries 373 00:13:26,870 --> 00:13:24,720 to evidence you know that's what i do 374 00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:26,880 that's my forte that's what i'm really 375 00:13:31,110 --> 00:13:29,440 really good at forensics let's grab some 376 00:13:33,509 --> 00:13:31,120 evidence physical evidence trace 377 00:13:34,629 --> 00:13:33,519 evidence doesn't matter direct indirect 378 00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:34,639 let's go 379 00:13:39,030 --> 00:13:36,000 and 380 00:13:40,949 --> 00:13:39,040 it worked that night 381 00:13:43,829 --> 00:13:40,959 as i'm going home 382 00:13:44,790 --> 00:13:43,839 i remember the feeling as i'm driving 383 00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:44,800 was 384 00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:46,320 bs 385 00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:48,800 nobody gets everything in one night what 386 00:13:52,230 --> 00:13:51,040 was going on in that cornfield 387 00:13:54,629 --> 00:13:52,240 and 388 00:13:56,150 --> 00:13:54,639 i didn't doubt what i saw i didn't doubt 389 00:13:57,990 --> 00:13:56,160 what i had been through 390 00:14:00,069 --> 00:13:58,000 what i did doubt was 391 00:14:02,710 --> 00:14:00,079 why everything like i i just it was it 392 00:14:04,870 --> 00:14:02,720 was really a contrast and really a 393 00:14:06,069 --> 00:14:04,880 struggle and but the one thing i can 394 00:14:07,829 --> 00:14:06,079 tell you is 395 00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:07,839 it happened so 396 00:14:11,509 --> 00:14:10,320 no matter what my mind was trying to 397 00:14:13,590 --> 00:14:11,519 make of it 398 00:14:14,629 --> 00:14:13,600 couldn't get past that's exactly what 399 00:14:16,710 --> 00:14:14,639 happened 400 00:14:18,629 --> 00:14:16,720 so um 401 00:14:20,629 --> 00:14:18,639 that's kind of where it is i call it one 402 00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:20,639 second because when that light hit that 403 00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:21,600 beam 404 00:14:25,829 --> 00:14:23,760 that being never flinched how do you go 405 00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:25,839 from pitch dark this is a really dark 406 00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:27,680 cornfield he's out in the boonies 407 00:14:30,710 --> 00:14:29,360 there's no white pollute or light 408 00:14:34,389 --> 00:14:30,720 pollution at all 409 00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:34,399 so i i just for me it was like 410 00:14:39,110 --> 00:14:37,920 what why like what was going on and so 411 00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:39,120 over the years 412 00:14:43,110 --> 00:14:41,040 i've come up with two theories one we 413 00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:43,120 were not supposed to be there whatever 414 00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:46,480 that triangle maybe what the being maybe 415 00:14:49,269 --> 00:14:48,480 had to do out there 416 00:14:50,710 --> 00:14:49,279 um 417 00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:50,720 we weren't supposed to be there and we 418 00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:52,320 needed to leave so they could do their 419 00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:53,360 job 420 00:14:58,870 --> 00:14:56,079 the second theory was which 421 00:15:01,910 --> 00:14:58,880 breaks my heart and kills me is that you 422 00:15:03,110 --> 00:15:01,920 hear from abductees that 423 00:15:06,790 --> 00:15:03,120 they 424 00:15:08,629 --> 00:15:06,800 like the feelings between them and you 425 00:15:10,550 --> 00:15:08,639 can be transferred 426 00:15:12,310 --> 00:15:10,560 and all of a sudden it hit me that 427 00:15:14,230 --> 00:15:12,320 terror was nothing like i've ever felt 428 00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:14,240 before i wouldn't wish it on anybody it 429 00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:14,959 is 430 00:15:19,189 --> 00:15:16,800 it's fight or flight times a thousand 431 00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:19,199 when i say every single cell in my body 432 00:15:23,509 --> 00:15:21,440 was in terror that's exactly what it 433 00:15:24,230 --> 00:15:23,519 felt like it was physical 434 00:15:27,110 --> 00:15:24,240 so 435 00:15:30,150 --> 00:15:27,120 i kind of wonder what if that was the 436 00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:30,160 fear that little being felt seeing us in 437 00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:32,160 the field 438 00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:34,480 and we just kind of left left him or we 439 00:15:38,949 --> 00:15:37,120 left him alone um so 440 00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:38,959 there there's a lot i have more 441 00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:40,800 questions than answers even though i 442 00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:42,959 pretty much seen it all now right 443 00:15:46,389 --> 00:15:44,160 so to speak 444 00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:46,399 but um it you know it's just it was just 445 00:15:52,389 --> 00:15:49,360 a crazy night it was a crazy night and 446 00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:52,399 um there's still part of me that says uh 447 00:15:56,710 --> 00:15:54,560 what really happened out there like i 448 00:15:58,069 --> 00:15:56,720 know what happened but why 449 00:16:00,310 --> 00:15:58,079 we were not supposed to be there we 450 00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:00,320 didn't run away from a being 451 00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:02,480 and i really need to make that clear no 452 00:16:05,509 --> 00:16:04,160 one knew what was out there 453 00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:05,519 none of us did 454 00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:08,000 we ran straight to it actually that's 455 00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:10,720 how we were six feet from it 456 00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:13,600 that being was not more than six feet 457 00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:15,279 from when we stopped 458 00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:18,480 so there was no like i'm afraid alien so 459 00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:20,160 i'm running there was none of that at 460 00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:23,440 all and this witness is a man's man let 461 00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:25,360 me tell you he's a farmer he's actually 462 00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:27,279 the reason he's never come out is he's a 463 00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:30,000 national sports person everyone would 464 00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:31,440 know him right away he didn't want to be 465 00:16:35,509 --> 00:16:32,560 the crazy 466 00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:35,519 you know guy with the ufo thing going on 467 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:38,000 but um i didn't know who he was when i 468 00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:39,120 first pulled up because i don't follow 469 00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:41,040 that sport but the other 470 00:16:44,150 --> 00:16:42,959 investigator i had was freaking out like 471 00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:44,160 oh my god do you know what this is i'm 472 00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:45,920 like no not really so what i've been 473 00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:47,759 talking to him for a couple weeks 474 00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:48,839 anyway 475 00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:52,320 um he's when we first got into the truck 476 00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:54,399 and we first got into the corn field and 477 00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:56,160 this is kind of important 478 00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:58,399 he pulled out this big old shotgun and 479 00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:59,759 put it in the back and of course i'm 480 00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:01,920 standing there almost done with the look 481 00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:04,000 on my face like what are you doing with 482 00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:06,319 that gun oh you got two girls out here 483 00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:08,079 in the cornfield no one knows who we are 484 00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:10,160 uh oh what did i just do 485 00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:12,160 and he's like chase don't worry he says 486 00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:13,919 we have some problem with some coyotes 487 00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:16,079 here and the gun is in case you know 488 00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:17,760 they show up and we we need to take care 489 00:17:21,429 --> 00:17:19,280 of ourselves 490 00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:21,439 that's a big statement because what that 491 00:17:27,669 --> 00:17:23,919 tells you these guys that far out in the 492 00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:27,679 woods you don't call 9-1-1 493 00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:29,360 you call the sheriff when it's all done 494 00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:31,039 you take care of what's going on this 495 00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:33,280 was not a man afraid to be out there in 496 00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:35,600 the dark so him running 497 00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:37,840 me running and the other investigator it 498 00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:39,840 was high-minded 499 00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:42,960 and we weren't supposed to be there 500 00:17:46,950 --> 00:17:44,400 well that's all we've got time for this 501 00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:46,960 week on the podcast so if i was leaving 502 00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:48,799 it there i think people would be excited 503 00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:50,000 enough that would that would be a great 504 00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:52,160 cliffhanger i mean 505 00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:54,400 like you say that's what you would 506 00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:57,120 expect to potentially get over a career 507 00:17:59,830 --> 00:17:58,480 you know and obviously you did spend a 508 00:18:02,310 --> 00:17:59,840 lot of time in before and you held 509 00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:02,320 several prominent positions within mufon 510 00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:04,799 as well um 511 00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:06,240 obviously the the main thing i think 512 00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:07,679 anyone takes away from that as you 513 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:09,360 you've encountered a being and i found 514 00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:11,200 it really interesting you said that one 515 00:18:17,350 --> 00:18:13,520 of your theories is actually the the 516 00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:17,360 fear was from the being and not from you 517 00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:18,799 so often 518 00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:21,039 oh my gosh if that being was feeling 519 00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:23,840 that i i have to tell you that fear is 520 00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:24,640 just 521 00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:26,640 it wasn't even human almost i've never 522 00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:28,400 said that before i just don't know how 523 00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:30,640 to describe how severe 524 00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:32,480 that terror was 525 00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:34,559 and to know if that little being was 526 00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:36,400 feeling like that because we were there 527 00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:38,000 breaks my heart 528 00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:40,320 it's interesting because so many people 529 00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:42,640 discuss and talk about the greys as 530 00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:44,480 being a species that are potentially 531 00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:45,600 soulless 532 00:18:50,549 --> 00:18:48,480 and have no conscious of their own 533 00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:50,559 they're hive minded they're just there 534 00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:52,400 to do experiments they're potentially 535 00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:53,440 clones 536 00:18:57,029 --> 00:18:54,559 so you wouldn't think they would 537 00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:57,039 necessarily have that sort of feeling or 538 00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:58,480 you know in anything sort of they are 539 00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,320 they're just they're just empty 540 00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:02,400 biological entities but 541 00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:05,360 you're potentially think differently 542 00:19:09,909 --> 00:19:07,280 yeah that's a very smart observation 543 00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:09,919 because when i described what happened 544 00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:12,240 you go from pitch dark to this halogen 545 00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:14,720 flashlight straight in his face i say he 546 00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:16,080 because you know my mother boys and 547 00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:18,400 grandmother mostly boys and it's just he 548 00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:20,080 is everything but you know this whole 549 00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:22,400 being he never flinched he didn't do 550 00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:24,720 this i mean you know he didn't like back 551 00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:26,960 up and call it squint his eyes or you 552 00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:29,600 know he was completely stoic 553 00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:31,039 almost machine 554 00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:33,280 and i would say it was machine in its 555 00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,880 behavior 556 00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:36,960 but if you can see his eyes 557 00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:39,360 there's nothing nothing mechanical that 558 00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:42,000 that was a biological being whether it 559 00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:44,880 was you know um a hybrid or you know 560 00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:47,520 whatever they are if they're the size of 561 00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:49,360 cylons you know 562 00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:51,360 uh whatever it is like they're man-made 563 00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:54,400 or whatever but um i was shocked shocked 564 00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:56,160 and this was stuff that came out after 565 00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:58,559 it's like and i also remember his legs 566 00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:01,120 being so freaking tiny i remember that 567 00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,240 being a big thing that set with me 568 00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:06,720 for a couple weeks they were so thin it 569 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:09,200 was like a twig trying to hold up a log 570 00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:10,720 and of course then i realized later it 571 00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:12,240 was the flashlight and the way it hit 572 00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:15,520 that being that it was shadowed so 573 00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:18,720 it was a crazy night 574 00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:21,039 was there any fallout from that so like 575 00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:23,039 you say you become a witness your your 576 00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:24,880 fellow investigator becomes a witness 577 00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:27,919 the witness is now a witness to more 578 00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,919 activity that's going on what what was 579 00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:31,679 the kind of general fallout from that 580 00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,320 incident 581 00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,159 we were all interviewed by you know 582 00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,400 state directors at this point you had 583 00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:41,120 you know mufon higher-ups all like all 584 00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:43,120 taking our statements um they even asked 585 00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,000 me to speak to calm helmer which i did 586 00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:48,640 was was bigelow's right hand at the time 587 00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:50,960 you know and i you know i just just told 588 00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:53,120 what happened but i could tell you that 589 00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:54,880 the other witness 590 00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:58,000 i don't know if it was this incident or 591 00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,960 something else but what i do know is all 592 00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:02,720 of a sudden she just left her house one 593 00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:04,960 day like within a few weeks of this 594 00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:06,960 happening left her husband left her 595 00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,960 house left all possessions left 596 00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:10,320 everything jumped in her car and just 597 00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,159 drove away she was missing for a few 598 00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:14,000 weeks and then her family found her 599 00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:17,840 living in a van with some band guy you 600 00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,799 know smoking weed all day so i you know 601 00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:22,320 i just 602 00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:26,960 mention her name either it's kind of um 603 00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,480 i feel bad for 604 00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,000 it's a pretty life-altering and 605 00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:31,919 life-changing experience for anyone to 606 00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:33,600 go through so that's that's amazing but 607 00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:35,039 thanks for sharing that 608 00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:36,480 that i suppose that takes money to a 609 00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,919 question that i would normally get to 610 00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,280 later but given what we're going to 611 00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:41,600 discuss throughout this alaska now so 612 00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:43,280 you've got there what you think is the 613 00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,000 the classic triangular craft you've got 614 00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:48,159 orbs flying about potentially if we're 615 00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:49,520 going to call them orbs you've got other 616 00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:51,200 lights in the sky that may or may not be 617 00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,799 satellites but probably aren't from what 618 00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:54,799 you're saying and then you've got a 619 00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,679 being you've seen as well 620 00:22:05,909 --> 00:21:58,799 has 621 00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:05,919 for example like i growing up especially 622 00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,760 when i was younger you've got aliens 623 00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:09,360 coming from another planet and a flying 624 00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,159 saucer and that would be really cool and 625 00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:14,000 that's what's happening to just in the 626 00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,200 last couple of years with like tdsa and 627 00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,000 other documentaries and just doing this 628 00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,080 podcast my opinions changed a lot in 629 00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:24,320 five months let alone you know 15 20 630 00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:26,559 years to you've got inter-dimensional 631 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:28,720 multi-dimensional it's a mix of 632 00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,360 different things some of it's our tech 633 00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,760 some of it's something else's tech and 634 00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:36,320 there's a whole mix and melting pot of 635 00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:37,840 things going on 636 00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,000 so first question has your opinion 637 00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,000 changed of what's going on and what do 638 00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,240 you think is going on now 639 00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,400 i honestly believe that you know from 640 00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:48,080 everywhere i've been from that 641 00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,760 experience forward 642 00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,520 like how did it get there we didn't see 643 00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:53,679 it like there was no big you know 644 00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,559 landing or whatever and i've often said 645 00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,159 i'm on the record i say this almost 646 00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,799 every show because it's so important 647 00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,400 i don't believe through the evidence 648 00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:04,799 that we have so far that these crafts 649 00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:06,400 are coming here on a red bull and a full 650 00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,039 tank of gas this is an inter-dimensional 651 00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:11,120 they're using science we haven't you 652 00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:12,720 know even 653 00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:15,760 mastered yet let alone barely understand 654 00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,360 they're you know using uh time and space 655 00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,360 they're folding it you know their 656 00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,840 maneuvering through this now i do 657 00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:26,080 believe it's science-based we just 658 00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:28,159 haven't discovered how to do this yet 659 00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,280 whether it's wormholes or time travel or 660 00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:34,000 you know even enough like time and space 661 00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:36,400 it's um but they're getting here in a 662 00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:37,760 different way 663 00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:40,640 which is why a lot of the um scientists 664 00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,279 or astrologers really debunk the whole 665 00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,760 alien you know even coming here anyway 666 00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,200 because how many stars they have to 667 00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,279 transfer but they ignore the other 668 00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,000 things we know are going on we know 669 00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,760 these are real they've been proven this 670 00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:55,039 is done 671 00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,720 we just don't know how to 672 00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,480 harness that and use it to our benefit 673 00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,799 yet but we will 674 00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,720 and i think it's just if you can 675 00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,960 comprehend and even think locally that 676 00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,960 there was a point on the earth where 677 00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:08,799 someone stood on a shore and looked 678 00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:11,360 across and saw another shore and thought 679 00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,960 uh we can never get across there you 680 00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:14,480 know we can't do that and they know 681 00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,640 someone makes a boat and tries it and 682 00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,240 probably died the first couple of times 683 00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,240 people tried it and then it's like oh we 684 00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,760 can't get even that much further and 685 00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,679 then i wonder if there's anything on on 686 00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,039 the other side of this and then people 687 00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,440 cross the oceans and and now we can fly 688 00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,679 about and if if you have to sit on a 689 00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,279 flight for five or six hours to get 690 00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,880 somewhere it's too long 691 00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:34,880 so like it's just it's just natural 692 00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,880 progression and things evolve and change 693 00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:38,960 and know that we'll get there eventually 694 00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:41,279 but how quickly we get there some people 695 00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,799 think we've already got that technology 696 00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,960 some people think it's it's disgusting 697 00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:46,640 some of the questions i've got are are 698 00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:49,360 based on that as well um 699 00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:50,320 so 700 00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:52,960 that was one of your first experiences 701 00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:55,039 fast forwarding 702 00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,320 is that right that that was one of your 703 00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,230 yeah and you know truthfully i 704 00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:04,480 i'm like into ufos that's really my 705 00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:05,520 forte 706 00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,240 but 707 00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,320 i've been out bigfoot hunting i've been 708 00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:10,320 out you know looking for 709 00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:12,080 you know ghosts i've been on plenty of 710 00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,320 ghost hunts and it's i just love the 711 00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,880 mystery honestly and you know there's a 712 00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,720 camaraderie you can build with a small 713 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:20,240 group of people when you investigate 714 00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,760 together and that's really my favorite 715 00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,000 part i think more and more the the whole 716 00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,760 phenomenon as people describe it now is 717 00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:27,760 linked wasn't it and i keep saying the 718 00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,880 phenomenon you know we've got our 719 00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,120 documentary out in two days time uh from 720 00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,520 james fox uh which i've i've actually 721 00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:35,520 been sent a link to watch an early 722 00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,120 screener for and i've still not had the 723 00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,279 chance to do it yet because of the kids 724 00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,679 um i i've already ordered it anyway and 725 00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:43,039 i would encourage anyone else but 726 00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,480 actually when this releases it's going 727 00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,840 to have been out a few days so there 728 00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,840 won't be any spoilers anyway um but the 729 00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,919 phenomenon is linked that when you talk 730 00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,200 about ghosts 731 00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:53,919 and demons and angels and like you say 732 00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:57,440 religions ufos bigfoot people just seem 733 00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,960 to think more and more that these things 734 00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,200 are all connected and they're almost one 735 00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:02,880 in the same thing 736 00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:04,720 someone you know louis elizondo has 737 00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:06,799 talked about you know look at the data 738 00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,679 and 739 00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,760 tommed along all these different people 740 00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,679 have said that reality in the world and 741 00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,200 the universe is a much stranger and 742 00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,720 crazier place than we could possibly 743 00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,760 imagine 744 00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,240 and i suppose that would make sense 745 00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,159 yeah we learned that from bigelow too 746 00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,080 you know if we're just focused on flesh 747 00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:24,320 and blood aliens or you know beings 748 00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,679 coming here 749 00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,679 it's way bigger than that and you know 750 00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,320 this is not only dimensional it's you 751 00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:32,080 know there's so many great things out in 752 00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,000 the universe that we can discover i'm 753 00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,559 not so sure the star trek was completely 754 00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:38,960 wrong different beings some good some 755 00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:41,440 bad you know all of this coming together 756 00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:43,600 you know you have bigfoot because it 757 00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:46,720 looks like something we consider 758 00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,679 we're 759 00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,360 more intelligent than 760 00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:51,600 you know like a monkey or something you 761 00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,200 know we completely take down um any kind 762 00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:57,120 of 763 00:27:03,190 --> 00:26:59,840 i don't know like you know bias like we 764 00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,200 have to go in without that bias of you 765 00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,200 know they're just animals or whatever 766 00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,200 how do we know 767 00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:08,880 we're not catching them maybe they're a 768 00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,840 little smarter than us if they exist 769 00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:13,840 and and people have certainly seen 770 00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,960 something if if not seven eight nine 771 00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,559 foot eight walking about a woods you 772 00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,399 know there's something to it and i'm 773 00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,880 taking out the the costumes and the 774 00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,399 really blurry photos that don't really 775 00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:26,960 show anything right and that's it and it 776 00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,440 only takes one to show something real 777 00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,960 for it to be real it doesn't matter 778 00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:33,360 about all the fakes and the hawks's 779 00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,159 i think it's nick pope who always says 780 00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,559 the critics have to be right every time 781 00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,720 we just have to be right once yeah and 782 00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:42,159 he's absolutely and that's what we're 783 00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:43,600 all looking for 784 00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:46,159 is that physical evidence and that's 785 00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:47,840 really why i focused and even went and 786 00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:50,399 got my certification in forensic science 787 00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:52,240 and forensic collection 788 00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:53,679 is because 789 00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:55,919 that's where it's going we have 790 00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,159 tens of thousands of lights in the sky 791 00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,080 and they're important they really are 792 00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,559 for data we have lots of people talking 793 00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,799 about their experiences seeing things 794 00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:07,200 it's very important for our data 795 00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,559 but we have 796 00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,720 we have to go after the evidence now and 797 00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:12,960 that's why i love to the stars academy 798 00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,279 these guys aren't playing like if and 799 00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,440 now i'm the same way if if there's no 800 00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,679 physical or trace evidence i will help 801 00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:21,840 them find another investigator 802 00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:23,919 but that's not my thing my thing is you 803 00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,640 know going after the big stuff now it's 804 00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,480 it's just how it is and that's what i 805 00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:30,080 was going to get on to next before we 806 00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,679 even move on a listener questions as 807 00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,320 your background in forensics now um one 808 00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:36,320 of your more famous pieces of work was 809 00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,880 on the you know the star child skull 810 00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,880 and ultimately you know spoiler alert 811 00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,120 but the conclusions were that this was 812 00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:44,799 more than likely about a five-year-old 813 00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:47,840 human child with with major deformities 814 00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,320 but again especially in 2020 people 815 00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,799 don't want to hear that because 816 00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:54,640 and i didn't want to hear that i wanted 817 00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,279 an alien yeah like i'm looking for a 818 00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,679 saucer and an alien like i really wanted 819 00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:01,200 this to be an alien but i'm not going to 820 00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,080 lie 821 00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,799 and fudge the science behind it you know 822 00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,120 they i could answer everything from the 823 00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:08,880 rebarb and the skull to why the skull 824 00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:11,360 looked thicker and it all came down to 825 00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:14,720 the age of the being and that was proven 826 00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:15,919 and 827 00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,679 do um 828 00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,039 nolan 829 00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,279 you know the uh scientists i'm 830 00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,120 like gary nolan 831 00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:25,200 he came up with the same i didn't even 832 00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,200 look at his report until i independently 833 00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:29,679 had done everything myself through a 834 00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:30,880 professional 835 00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:34,960 um dna lab that specialized in ancient 836 00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,440 remains and when we were getting the 837 00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,200 same data 838 00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:41,360 at the end it's a done deal guys you 839 00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,799 know science doesn't care what we 840 00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,159 believe 841 00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:45,760 they're going to put out what it is 842 00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,960 they're going to put out results and 843 00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,799 we've been taking when we don't but a 844 00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,640 lot of people are very disappointed that 845 00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,960 that wasn't an alien prob me probably 846 00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,399 most of all 847 00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:56,000 and people probably forget that even 848 00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,360 though you're interested in the subject 849 00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,039 you're not going to lie about it and and 850 00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:01,360 this is where we've got this real mix at 851 00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,559 the minute of 852 00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,840 shows so you look at something like 853 00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,760 ancient aliens incredibly popular 854 00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:07,919 however the idea behind ancient aliens 855 00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,360 is everything was aliens as 856 00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,000 george cicales is famous for now it was 857 00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:16,799 aliens the meme which he loves as well 858 00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,279 but everything wasn't aliens 859 00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:21,840 and and you've got to be able to say 860 00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,080 look some things are human some things 861 00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,559 are explainable probably most things are 862 00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,320 explainable but we're just looking for 863 00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,159 like we said those couple of things that 864 00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:32,159 are aren't as explainable that are more 865 00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:33,440 mysterious 866 00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,080 are unidentified you know just to drop 867 00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:38,000 the name for another show and it's just 868 00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,000 trying to find that happy medium isn't 869 00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,320 it that you know what is actually worth 870 00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,000 discussing and talking about if 871 00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,880 something's proven to be it's just it's 872 00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,399 too good to be true and we've got those 873 00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,720 ufo videos and whatnot that just it 874 00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,159 might be real it might be fake we don't 875 00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,919 know but we can't discuss it anymore 876 00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,440 because we can't go any further but then 877 00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,200 we've got the stuff like the star child 878 00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,360 you know skull okay we can put that to 879 00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,679 bed it's not it's not alien it's human 880 00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,679 let's move on let's concentrate on other 881 00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:05,120 stuff and that's what that's what you've 882 00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:06,159 done 883 00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,559 absolutely and the owner who is um 884 00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:10,799 really part of the investigation along 885 00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:14,720 with uh kerry um which is a partner that 886 00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:18,559 i have in the field reports um 887 00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,000 we repatriated those remains back to 888 00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,039 where his haplogroup is so we actually 889 00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,960 found the haplogroup 890 00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,960 and repatriated his remains back to 891 00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:31,200 mexico that little kid has been through 892 00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:34,799 so much so much drama he's been mounted 893 00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,000 he's been on display he's been you know 894 00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,080 caught up in pieces i mean it's just 895 00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:42,320 he's been put on the internet with a 896 00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,000 bald cap and a cigarette out of his it's 897 00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,799 just disgusting and these were 898 00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:48,159 even if it was 899 00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:50,960 a being or an alien it deserved more 900 00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,919 respect than what it got honestly and 901 00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:56,159 you know that's what we always try to do 902 00:32:02,710 --> 00:31:59,519 is completely be above aboveboard and 903 00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,720 when we found out his capital group was 904 00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,880 that's it there's that's it it's the 905 00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,880 same dna we're working off of like you 906 00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,039 know where we come from and 907 00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,200 repatriated his remains and i give the 908 00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:13,679 owner of that a lot of credit because 909 00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:16,480 when she first asked me to help her find 910 00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,919 the truth about this 911 00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,279 there was a whole 912 00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,600 group about the star child committee 913 00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:23,120 bringing in tens of thousand dollars a 914 00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,559 year 915 00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:26,720 there you go right yes 916 00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,240 and that's something we've discussed on 917 00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,200 the show before is the very very very 918 00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,720 very small amount of people who make a 919 00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,240 lot of money off of this tend to have 920 00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,399 the most extraordinary claims 921 00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:38,960 that you just can't prove and it's it's 922 00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,440 almost religion and church-esque that 923 00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:42,960 you just have to put the faith in it 924 00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,279 that no no you know this this being has 925 00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:47,840 spoken to me in my dreams and from this 926 00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,240 star system and i've got and it's just 927 00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,320 yeah yeah you know what they might be 928 00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:54,000 true and maybe one day that little being 929 00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:55,519 in that field that you saw will come out 930 00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:58,159 and tell us that you know what mr x out 931 00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:01,039 there or you know doctor g let's just 932 00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:02,960 say is right but 933 00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,200 we're not there yet but listen so you've 934 00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,279 talked about forensics what are some of 935 00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,640 the more interesting things that you 936 00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,320 have looked at from a forensics point of 937 00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:12,000 view anything potentially left 938 00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:13,840 unexplained or 939 00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:16,320 yeah i i have a couple medals that i had 940 00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:19,760 done um bob white a very famous metal 941 00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,320 case or a physical evidence uh this is a 942 00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,559 guy kind of driving through the desert 943 00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:26,960 you know in the uh vegas that whole kind 944 00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:29,840 of area and he sees this object and it's 945 00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,399 dropping what looks like molten metal so 946 00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,080 he stops the car and he goes to look for 947 00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,679 it and um i helped test that piece of 948 00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,360 metal 949 00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,679 um which still is undescribable like 950 00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:43,760 they still can't figure out it isn't so 951 00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:47,279 much the um the alloys it's how it was 952 00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,559 processed 953 00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:50,320 and that's what we're finding with the 954 00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,240 bismarck or the you know the one to the 955 00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,320 starting academy yeah formerly it won't 956 00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:56,320 help it's like we're not finding all 957 00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:57,760 these exotic 958 00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,640 um 959 00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,799 minerals or or all these 960 00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,720 components the universe is pretty much 961 00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,159 made of the same stuff that's what we're 962 00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,480 learning so you know even though the 963 00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,399 moon has more helium than the earth the 964 00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:11,040 earth still has some helium so 965 00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,560 all these components what we're looking 966 00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,639 at right now is a process 967 00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,040 um i've also had a little over 300 968 00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,200 forensic samples of the elongated skulls 969 00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:20,399 in peru 970 00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,599 and 971 00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:22,800 you know just 972 00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,760 i have soil samples i have water samples 973 00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,000 just like all over the place samples 974 00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,240 what i also do though is i take a little 975 00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,399 extra than i need 976 00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:34,800 for analysis because what i do is you 977 00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:37,119 really learn from what happened with the 978 00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,079 police departments when you know dna was 979 00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,159 really on the cusp they really thought 980 00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:45,040 they had it so they started saving rape 981 00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:45,919 kits 982 00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:47,839 and forensics of murders and things like 983 00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:50,320 this in hopes that in five ten years 984 00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,760 they could solve them and that's exactly 985 00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,919 what happened so even though i'm getting 986 00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:56,000 you know answers or 987 00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,000 i'm still keeping some samples back 988 00:35:03,670 --> 00:34:59,760 because what if 989 00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,680 our technology or our analystics are 990 00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,359 10 times more 991 00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,240 important or powerful and we get a 992 00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,920 different result so 993 00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:11,520 you know that's something i've learned 994 00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:14,640 to do as well i've got a lot of samples 995 00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,359 if you were given an unlimited budget 996 00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,599 laboratory funding whatever you wanted 997 00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,079 to call it and time is there any one 998 00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:24,320 piece that you would go to and you would 999 00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,870 yeah i honestly i would i would capture 1000 00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:33,040 the same team i'm working with now um 1001 00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:34,800 they're brilliant um i'm the only 1002 00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,030 you know i say retired commander you 1003 00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:43,040 know all these other people one's a 1004 00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:46,000 lawyer for the united nations and you 1005 00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:47,839 know to have that kind of 1006 00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,480 mindset looking into this from not my 1007 00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:52,320 point of view but their point of view 1008 00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:53,359 coming in 1009 00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,240 and to really start getting this and 1010 00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,320 what i really need is a plane i have all 1011 00:36:01,750 --> 00:36:00,480 the equipment i have all the forensics i 1012 00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,760 have a forensic kit that would make the 1013 00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:04,160 sheriff's department jealous 1014 00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,280 and 1015 00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:07,920 that funding comes from my very very 1016 00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:11,359 generous husband who supports my passion 1017 00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,560 and uh 1018 00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:14,960 but at the same time if i had unlimited 1019 00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,240 funds that's what i would do i would 1020 00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,240 take that team i'm working with i would 1021 00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,240 partner with to the stars academy 1022 00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,160 they're on it these are the same people 1023 00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:24,720 i'm working with my beltway group is the 1024 00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,359 same type of people that to the stars 1025 00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:29,200 academy has it's why i have so much 1026 00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:30,480 respect for them 1027 00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:32,960 you have government insiders and a 1028 00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:35,359 dreamer and the dreamer is tom delong 1029 00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,160 everyone else is a government person 1030 00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,560 they don't work in our world trust me my 1031 00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,800 husband's a retired you know commander 1032 00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:45,119 from the united states navy they don't 1033 00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,119 they don't think like us they're they're 1034 00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,040 not in our world they're in a different 1035 00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:51,520 one which is very valuable at this point 1036 00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:54,640 because we need that type of aptitude 1037 00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,520 and diligence 1038 00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,839 and tom delong gets a lot of heat from a 1039 00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:02,240 lot of people he's very polarizing and 1040 00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:03,920 like i've said to a few different people 1041 00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:06,480 and and people that are also close with 1042 00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,200 lou 1043 00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,119 i imagine tom delong is the type of 1044 00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,040 person that regularly gets messages or 1045 00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,200 phone calls from chris mellon luella's 1046 00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,240 ondol with a tom delete that tweet tom 1047 00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:18,640 take that instagram post down tom you 1048 00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:20,880 are right 1049 00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:23,040 you are absolutely right and i have to 1050 00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:24,880 tell you that you know people forget 1051 00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,599 he's a dreamer he's a rock star this guy 1052 00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,760 is you know he thinks 1053 00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,280 artistically 1054 00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:33,200 and so when he put some of this stuff 1055 00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,359 out he takes all this heat like he's an 1056 00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,920 expert on aliens it's not 1057 00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,599 we have to give him 1058 00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:41,599 kind of a little break because he's a 1059 00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:44,320 dreamer he he's an artist you know he's 1060 00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,119 huge and his heart is so big i have to 1061 00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:49,119 tell you that you know my grandson just 1062 00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,640 turned 18 for his 18th birthday you know 1063 00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:54,880 you know i just i called in a favor 1064 00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,320 and my grandson is getting swag signed 1065 00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,320 from tom delong this guy takes time out 1066 00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:02,800 of his day to actually and a poster from 1067 00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,200 you know aliens i'm sorry uh angels in 1068 00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,920 here waves yeah yeah and you know to 1069 00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:08,880 ryan 1070 00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:10,960 you know thanks for blah blah blah you 1071 00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:12,640 know blah blah blah you know tom delong 1072 00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:15,040 this guy treated my grandson we just 1073 00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,720 wanted like thought it'd be great to 1074 00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:18,560 give him an autograph you know something 1075 00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,480 from tom because he's so huge my 1076 00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,119 grandson's a huge fan of him 1077 00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,680 and he got so much more there's so much 1078 00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:27,440 more like i can't even tell you how 1079 00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,640 generous 1080 00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,960 and how blown away i am but that's all 1081 00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:33,440 these guys up there luella zondo is one 1082 00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,720 of the kindest most honorable 1083 00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:37,839 um 1084 00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,280 generous 1085 00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,800 men i know 1086 00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,960 you know he he comes from the same arena 1087 00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,800 that pete and i worked in for over 30 1088 00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,200 years and i don't think i would do 1089 00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:49,200 anything different to tom de long if you 1090 00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:50,160 put 1091 00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,440 myself in that arena with those type of 1092 00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,200 people and 1093 00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,440 let's be clear tom's probably tom knows 1094 00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,760 more than i do about the subject from 1095 00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,839 the people he hangs about with i don't 1096 00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,200 doubt though that he's 1097 00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:05,280 totally clued into what lou knows chris 1098 00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:07,119 mellon knows how put off knows and he 1099 00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,960 probably knows bets and that's when he 1100 00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,720 puts out these tweets and 1101 00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,320 i would probably be doing the same that 1102 00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,400 what if what if there was this and 1103 00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:16,160 there's probably bet sale that are are 1104 00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,520 right and along a right track and 1105 00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,119 there's maybe bets that are his opinion 1106 00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,200 and they get melded together which and 1107 00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,040 there's nothing wrong with that 1108 00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,440 no and when you think of uh like jacques 1109 00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:28,320 lay and even robert bigelow they're like 1110 00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,560 wait a minute guys this is weirder than 1111 00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,320 you think it is 1112 00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,839 and then tom dalon comes out with 1113 00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,839 something you might look at that like it 1114 00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:37,520 might be a little easter egg and why 1115 00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,920 would you do that and that is because 1116 00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,760 he's talked to people we'll never get a 1117 00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,440 chance to i'll never have a chance to 1118 00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:45,760 talk to some of these people this this 1119 00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,119 rock star literally for whatever reason 1120 00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,359 i believe it was this soft disclosure 1121 00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:53,839 but this rock star was brought in to 1122 00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,240 some of the places we've been i would 1123 00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,560 have killed to be in that room 1124 00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:00,880 and you know it was him and i'm just 1125 00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,359 happy i'm happy it's coming out it 1126 00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:05,119 doesn't have to be me it doesn't have to 1127 00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,280 be richard dolan or linda mont-howell or 1128 00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:09,119 you know my other friends like out there 1129 00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,359 nick and you know some of the guys 1130 00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:13,040 it needed to be 1131 00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:17,920 to be believed nobody's really listening 1132 00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:20,960 to us but us does that make sense yeah 1133 00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,160 and that was always good that was always 1134 00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,839 going to be divisive no matter who done 1135 00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,359 it i don't think there's any way this 1136 00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:27,280 could this could now come out the way we 1137 00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,480 are in 2020 with the world going to [\h__\h] 1138 00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,640 let's just put it that way and so many 1139 00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:34,800 different ways that 1140 00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:37,119 if the the classic ufo landed in the 1141 00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:38,560 white house lawn 1142 00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:39,440 it's 1143 00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,720 us 1144 00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,000 those are the four 1145 00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:48,319 it wouldn't matter if aliens came out 1146 00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:51,040 this is us it's i mean even the classic 1147 00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,160 again i'm not religious i'll use 1148 00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:53,760 something that's not even in my field of 1149 00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,800 expertise but if jesus came back 1150 00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,960 i could only imagine the crap he would 1151 00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,200 get now and he would be like oh my god 1152 00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:03,520 this is this is what's happened in 2000 1153 00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:04,560 years and 1154 00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,920 that that's what we've kind of turned 1155 00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,119 into so 1156 00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,359 why not turned along and why not aliens 1157 00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,760 but listen um i've got some questions on 1158 00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,839 that anyway 1159 00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,839 getting into 1160 00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,760 listener questions now the first one i 1161 00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,359 won't name the listener who got in touch 1162 00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:21,040 they did have a back and forward with 1163 00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,400 you on twitter saying they'd sent me 1164 00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,920 some questions if they want to say it 1165 00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,440 was them that's fine 1166 00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,960 it was a really interesting when they 1167 00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,720 got in touch with me as well via the dms 1168 00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,160 to say like i would like you to speak to 1169 00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,240 chase about this so 1170 00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:34,000 one of the listeners got in touch and 1171 00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:35,520 you've you've famously worked with the 1172 00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,560 bledsoes so chris bledsoe who has had 1173 00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,079 one of 1174 00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:42,800 the most well-known experiences probably 1175 00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:45,359 on the planet because it seems he and 1176 00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,640 his family 1177 00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:48,000 if you're listening to this podcast you 1178 00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:49,760 probably know about chris bledsoe and 1179 00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,319 his son ryan and they've experienced 1180 00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,640 orbs and beings and entities and it just 1181 00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,560 seems to happen on a regular basis the 1182 00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,040 whole house and family have something to 1183 00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:01,520 them what sort of work before i ask the 1184 00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:02,960 questions have you done with the 1185 00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,240 bledsoes and what's your experience been 1186 00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,160 well i've actually spent time with them 1187 00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,000 and that's when you know some of their 1188 00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:12,240 critics it's like have you even spoken 1189 00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,119 to him have you been to that place have 1190 00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,680 you know have you investigated 1191 00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:20,000 you know and and the other thing is you 1192 00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:21,119 know this man has been through 1193 00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:24,079 everything like he was humiliated mufon 1194 00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,440 ruined his life literally sent him into 1195 00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,960 almost bankruptcy 1196 00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,440 you know i mean mufon absolutely 1197 00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,400 devastated him and this is the guy that 1198 00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,319 comes through so 1199 00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,079 what i do know is that through my 1200 00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:40,319 investment like spending time with them 1201 00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:44,160 ryan is amazing this is a good kid his 1202 00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:47,440 kids all of them are like amazing in 1203 00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,560 something so like his daughter 1204 00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:52,560 well she was you know homecoming queen 1205 00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:54,079 and i was there to watch her get crowned 1206 00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,359 which is a big deal because i was 1207 00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,599 homecoming queen so it was a big deal 1208 00:43:02,630 --> 00:42:59,520 but she you should hear her play piano 1209 00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,640 she's a savant it's it's crazy and you 1210 00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,280 know the whole family is extraordinary 1211 00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:07,760 and i have been there and has personally 1212 00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:10,960 seen and actually taken samples of crazy 1213 00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,760 crap 1214 00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:13,839 period 1215 00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,880 so 1216 00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,880 on that then the listener who got in 1217 00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,960 touch and wanted me to ask about a 1218 00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,960 potential abduction experience you had 1219 00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,760 had with chris chris bledsoe and your 1220 00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,079 husband i believe 1221 00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,599 um i 1222 00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,599 i don't confirm or deny my husband was 1223 00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,280 in there and i'll tell you why because 1224 00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:33,760 he still um has a security clearance 1225 00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,640 working for you know um 1226 00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:38,160 people so 1227 00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,240 i'm not gonna confirm or deny he was on 1228 00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:42,880 that team but um yes uh there was 1229 00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,680 something so weird because we get this 1230 00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,359 call and 1231 00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,680 you know this woman's freaking out she's 1232 00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,520 a registered nurse 1233 00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,200 because her husband's the police officer 1234 00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,040 and there were two police officers that 1235 00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:57,119 called to this area and it's in this 1236 00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:58,640 little batch of woods i don't know if 1237 00:44:02,069 --> 00:43:59,920 they have this in the uk but in the 1238 00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,079 united states when you have big power 1239 00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,720 lines you know like those big um 1240 00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,319 they're the 1241 00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,720 i don't know what 1242 00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,240 in the uk 1243 00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,880 yeah exactly and you know but they 1244 00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:14,720 always have this little batch of woods 1245 00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,160 that kind of helps to eat up some of the 1246 00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,640 emf before it reaches the neighborhoods 1247 00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:20,640 and they're little they're not big 1248 00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:21,599 and 1249 00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,920 anyway the these police officers called 1250 00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:26,000 out to this property because people 1251 00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,040 called in 1252 00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:29,040 and they thought that there were kids 1253 00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:30,720 playing in there's an old slave's 1254 00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:33,440 quarters so this is a very historic site 1255 00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,440 kids like to go and party and go in and 1256 00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,160 you know so the cops go out there 1257 00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:39,839 and they're walking out and they see 1258 00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,440 this being what they reported to me 1259 00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:45,839 and it was like seven foot tall maybe 1260 00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,240 eight but more like seven and it was 1261 00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,400 really really thin and they described it 1262 00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:52,079 where their head was like a balloon 1263 00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,680 where it's really kind of tiny at the 1264 00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,680 bottom but real big at top 1265 00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,599 and it was white 1266 00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,760 and it looked at them and it kind of 1267 00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:02,079 ducked behind a tree for a moment 1268 00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:04,160 but then it came back out they're police 1269 00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,599 officers what do they do they do what 1270 00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,880 they're trained to do they pull out 1271 00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,119 their weapons and they told it to freeze 1272 00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,599 which seems silly now but in the moment 1273 00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:13,200 they don't know what that is and they're 1274 00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,640 not thinking alien or ghosts they're 1275 00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,040 thinking kids playing pranks 1276 00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:19,119 so they say freeze 1277 00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,640 all of a sudden that being kind of 1278 00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,800 crouches just a little and looks like 1279 00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,960 it's going to lunge them and they fired 1280 00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,319 their weapons 1281 00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,040 well being on duty and the minute they 1282 00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,960 did the being was gone 1283 00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,200 just gone well the minute they fired 1284 00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,720 their weapons they're on duty so they 1285 00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,880 have to report it and when they told 1286 00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,119 their stories of course they 1287 00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,760 they were just the butt of every single 1288 00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:43,680 joke for the next couple of weeks 1289 00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,760 and and the lady called me because she 1290 00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,200 was worried because she believed her 1291 00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,960 husband and he was really having a hard 1292 00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,400 time with it he couldn't he couldn't 1293 00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:52,319 sleep you know there was you know just 1294 00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,680 things and he wasn't he didn't care 1295 00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:55,440 about the teasing 1296 00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,319 he just 1297 00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,000 like there was just something going on 1298 00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,319 there and it just really shook him up so 1299 00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,839 i agreed to go out there and i pulled a 1300 00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:03,040 team together 1301 00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,319 so because 1302 00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:06,319 these police officers were being 1303 00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,760 ridiculed 1304 00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,680 chris bledsoe just lives right in the 1305 00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,200 next town over 1306 00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,599 and knowing what he's been through i 1307 00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:15,359 thought would be the perfect 1308 00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,720 liaison or kind of contact when i left 1309 00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,800 you know i'm very scientific i don't do 1310 00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,720 a lot of the you know 1311 00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:25,680 um but chris would be the perfect 1312 00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:28,640 person to look to continue to help them 1313 00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:29,680 and 1314 00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:34,960 team of us 1315 00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:37,760 i wanted to go out because of the um 1316 00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,240 the power lines send off a lot of emf 1317 00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,480 well ems dangerous um it can cause 1318 00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,400 hallucinations make you feel like you're 1319 00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:46,800 being followed you know it it causes a 1320 00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,160 lot of 1321 00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,920 paranormal type 1322 00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:51,040 symptoms 1323 00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,400 so i wanted to go out and measure how 1324 00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:54,400 much of that was coming off the power 1325 00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:57,200 lines but also how when did it end like 1326 00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,880 when did it dissipate through these 1327 00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:00,079 woods 1328 00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:02,079 so i'm starting to go out and get you 1329 00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:03,760 know some of my 1330 00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:06,079 my readings or whatever but we enter the 1331 00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,000 woods at that night we've already been 1332 00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,240 there in the you know slaves quarters 1333 00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,319 looking at the area they saw the being 1334 00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,319 like this is a tiny patch of wood so you 1335 00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,480 can almost almost 1336 00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,440 from one end across and see the opening 1337 00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,680 to the big field and the power lines 1338 00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,760 so we get in there at its like time and 1339 00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,760 we're walking and walking and i'm 1340 00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,680 starting to get a little like like wait 1341 00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,680 a minute guys like it's not that big 1342 00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,880 what's going on 1343 00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,559 and we 1344 00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:34,240 came down this little ditch it was like 1345 00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,359 a little ditch and there was 1346 00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:39,599 we came out of it and at that point i 1347 00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,000 knew from previously being there we 1348 00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,240 should have seen the field and the power 1349 00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,319 lines and the opening at least 1350 00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,640 and it wasn't there we walk around for a 1351 00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,640 little bit i mean you know i can't 1352 00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:52,960 really i don't really 1353 00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,200 guess at how much time we did i can tell 1354 00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,280 you it was enough that i was really 1355 00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,680 getting a little peed you know i get 1356 00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:01,839 little peeved because 1357 00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,440 this is ridiculous it's absolutely 1358 00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,440 ridiculous i'm leaving a team and i 1359 00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,040 can't get us to the other side of this 1360 00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,960 freaking little what maybe one acre 1361 00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:10,240 maybe three 1362 00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,280 one to three acres like come on 1363 00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:15,200 all of a sudden we come back up to this 1364 00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,559 this ditch 1365 00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:19,200 and we go down it and we come up 1366 00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,240 and we and sure enough there it is the 1367 00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,000 there is the opening like it should have 1368 00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:26,160 been the first time well at this point 1369 00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,400 it was a little bit before this 1370 00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:30,960 several people on on the team were not 1371 00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,200 feeling good feeling nauseous feeling a 1372 00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,440 little dizzy we had to stop for about 1373 00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:37,119 five minutes for everybody to kind of 1374 00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,720 settle down 1375 00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,280 but uh it was a couple weeks later where 1376 00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,440 one of the people that i i trust that 1377 00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:45,119 helps me with 1378 00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:46,160 evidence 1379 00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:47,440 actually called and said chase you're 1380 00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,680 not gonna like this sit down i'm like oh 1381 00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,680 god i hate it when they say that 1382 00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,760 and he said all three helmet cams are 1383 00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,920 missing eight minutes 1384 00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:58,000 so i called chris bledsoe and i'm like 1385 00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,280 chris 1386 00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:02,079 i just heard from so and so the evidence 1387 00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:03,359 guy 1388 00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:05,119 i i can't believe what he told me he 1389 00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,800 says yeah we're missing about 10 minutes 1390 00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,319 right 1391 00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:11,040 blown away true story sure i was just 1392 00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:11,839 like 1393 00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:15,520 something before 1394 00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,559 and they all know i would have liked it 1395 00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,160 i needed evidence 1396 00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,839 you know i didn't believe that there 1397 00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:23,760 were they missed a time you i would have 1398 00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,119 never said that i would have said 1399 00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:27,200 absolutely not we were in that woods we 1400 00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:28,720 just couldn't get out 1401 00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:29,599 so 1402 00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:31,280 you know that i think believe that's 1403 00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:34,640 what the person was um referring to 1404 00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:37,920 yes during that time also we did see 1405 00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:40,079 chris pointed out at one point 1406 00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,079 he 1407 00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,640 see that 1408 00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,720 and i did see like these two eyes 1409 00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:49,200 watching us and they were pretty high up 1410 00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:49,920 so 1411 00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:52,000 you know it was kind of that 1412 00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,200 eye shine 1413 00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,200 that makes sense yeah and 1414 00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,000 chris saw it two other people saw it i 1415 00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,319 saw it and 1416 00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,400 it was odd because you see something 1417 00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,000 like that and we're just like okay we're 1418 00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:05,920 just walking along like 1419 00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,720 you know but yeah that was that night 1420 00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,319 and it's it's got the hallmarks of a 1421 00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,480 classic potential abduction experience 1422 00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,480 or missing time or something's happened 1423 00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,400 with you know going round and round and 1424 00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,240 you think i know you get the feel for a 1425 00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,480 distance and this isn't quite right so 1426 00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,800 the person did elaborate and he believes 1427 00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,720 that speaking with the bledsoe was that 1428 00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:27,040 there was potential that it was filmed 1429 00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:28,400 with sound 1430 00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,599 that the video was seen and you that 1431 00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,440 potentially chris believes you were 1432 00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:36,240 taken to a moon base 1433 00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,280 um i haven't it's it's 1434 00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,880 funny because i haven't had time to 1435 00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:43,040 really back up like chris learns more 1436 00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,720 and more with his experiences um 1437 00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,960 i don't remember any of it honestly if i 1438 00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,480 was taken to a moon base that would be 1439 00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,040 cool as crap and i wish i remembered it 1440 00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:55,200 but right now i can tell you i i 1441 00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:58,960 honestly i have no idea and what chris 1442 00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:01,520 you know comes up with is really 1443 00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,040 something that 1444 00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:04,880 i would give it i would give it a lot of 1445 00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:07,680 credibility i'm not so sure i believe it 1446 00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:10,160 all but it's not that he's a liar or 1447 00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,680 it's not that he exaggerates it's 1448 00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,040 because 1449 00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:15,280 maybe i'm not there yet i i don't know 1450 00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:16,559 but um 1451 00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:19,520 i do know that chris and his son ryan 1452 00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,319 is 1453 00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,280 ryan impressed me totally in fact i was 1454 00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,240 the first and only person to hear what 1455 00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,880 he went through personally since he so 1456 00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,960 told that story one time to move on and 1457 00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:32,880 he hasn't spoken to anyone since i'm the 1458 00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,440 only person he talked to about that and 1459 00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,839 that was the kind of trust we had and 1460 00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:39,760 you know i just 1461 00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,880 you know chris's chris is a a legit 1462 00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:44,720 phenomenon 1463 00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,200 i am i spoke to ryan on the very first 1464 00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:48,960 weeks of starting this podcast on 1465 00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,960 twitter and i was reaching maybe a 1466 00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,040 little bit high for for really early on 1467 00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:55,040 even though like gary sean the people i 1468 00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,720 spoke to in the early episodes were 1469 00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:58,480 amazing to come on for an absolute 1470 00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,680 nobody uh to speak to me maybe now with 1471 00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:03,280 a little bit more steam behind us i'll 1472 00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,000 get back in touch with ryan again but so 1473 00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:08,480 yeah yeah because he's he's a great kid 1474 00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:09,280 he 1475 00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,160 like it just didn't hurt chris 1476 00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:15,920 this kid was in high school and they 1477 00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:19,440 called him a liar on tv which proven to 1478 00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:22,319 be absolutely wrong you know mufon's 1479 00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:24,640 you know lie detector test was bogus it 1480 00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,839 was completely done in a wrong way um 1481 00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,680 everything they did was wrong honestly 1482 00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:31,760 i'm here to tell you and and many other 1483 00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,000 experts will tell you that as well um 1484 00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:36,800 completely blew it and they kind of set 1485 00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:38,079 them up 1486 00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:40,880 it was horrible but this kid that's you 1487 00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:43,520 know in high school at that young 1488 00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:46,000 he's a he's a young male you know really 1489 00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,800 kind of coming up it devastated them do 1490 00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:50,800 you know that because of what bouffant 1491 00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:52,880 and that tv show said 1492 00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:55,280 that his children were actually pulled 1493 00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:57,280 from school several times a year and 1494 00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,079 asked 1495 00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:00,480 how are things at home 1496 00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:02,800 is your dad still talking about alien 1497 00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,520 like 1498 00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:05,599 you can't even imagine the devastation 1499 00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,400 and this family even even almost broke 1500 00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,720 apart they were this close like hanging 1501 00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:12,960 on the thread and they've managed to 1502 00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:16,319 become back and back strong and that's 1503 00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,119 just uh the will of you know it's it's a 1504 00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,280 good example for other people who may be 1505 00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,040 having a hard time with some things is 1506 00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:25,760 that you know with the right structure 1507 00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:28,160 or the right kind of nudge you're going 1508 00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,839 to make it you're going to be okay 1509 00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:31,760 you're not going to be the same but you 1510 00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,400 but you can you can make things better 1511 00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:36,000 and that's that's well known if you're 1512 00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,079 in this subject or in this topic i think 1513 00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,480 we've all experienced to some degree 1514 00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,559 you and then like like almost more 1515 00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:44,000 celebrity you've had and you've appeared 1516 00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,520 on tv shows and everything so we can say 1517 00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,240 that too that you get a lot of flack 1518 00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:50,240 whether it's from family from friends 1519 00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,000 from colleagues the subject still has 1520 00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,760 that stigma and there are questions 1521 00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,920 based on that as well but you've said 1522 00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:57,359 that i was really interested in the way 1523 00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,480 you answered part of one of the 1524 00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:00,559 questions and i appreciate it's 1525 00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,240 for all i like to talk about the subject 1526 00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:04,000 seriously and objectively 1527 00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:05,520 no matter who you speak to when you 1528 00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,839 start asking about moon bases 1529 00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:09,839 that is a more out there aspect to the 1530 00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:12,559 subject but still you said that maybe 1531 00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,280 potentially you're just not there yet to 1532 00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,359 discuss or think or really be able to 1533 00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:19,280 open up that that may have happened or 1534 00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:21,200 may not have have you ever thought about 1535 00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:25,359 or tried hypnotic regression for that um 1536 00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:26,720 i i have 1537 00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,200 and i've actually been offered by some 1538 00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:31,040 of the best out here and 1539 00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:33,040 the reason i don't is i kind of feel 1540 00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:34,640 like if i if i'm not remembering 1541 00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:36,880 something maybe i'm not supposed to 1542 00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:40,000 and i'm okay but i'm stable right now 1543 00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,760 it's like you know things are going 1544 00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,520 really well do i really want to like 1545 00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:46,160 flip my life upside down and it and it 1546 00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,319 to me it's like if it happened that's 1547 00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,240 great um and how am i gonna prove it 1548 00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:52,000 anyway i mean what good is that going to 1549 00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,720 do 1550 00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,799 in the long run you look at people like 1551 00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,200 travis walton who has one of like or 1552 00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,240 chris bledsoe the most amazing credible 1553 00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:03,040 stories ever my favorite part of travis 1554 00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,640 walton is he never said he was an 1555 00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:06,480 abductee that was all done for him 1556 00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:07,839 before he got back 1557 00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,160 so you know these guys have been 1558 00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,720 they've been shredded and shredded and 1559 00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,640 shredded and 1560 00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:16,079 why i 1561 00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:19,200 i just i tell my i tell my witnesses you 1562 00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,040 want to come out 1563 00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,240 potentially this this could happen 1564 00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,319 potentially you get invited to a couple 1565 00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,920 conferences and then people kind of 1566 00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:29,839 forget you after a while 1567 00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:33,520 um you know so i'm very very blunt 1568 00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,040 and i just gave him the whole picture 1569 00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:37,599 some come out some don't 1570 00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:39,280 did you speak to luella's owned about 1571 00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:41,200 the experience 1572 00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:42,000 um 1573 00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,000 you know i don't think i have and it's 1574 00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,400 mostly because when we're together like 1575 00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,240 the last time i saw him he was here they 1576 00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,799 were filming in dc my husband and i met 1577 00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:53,280 him and um anthony 1578 00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:54,000 the 1579 00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:58,960 met for dinner and just had a really 1580 00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,240 great time um i've been to uh the to the 1581 00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,480 stars academy headquarters 1582 00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:05,760 three times 1583 00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:08,880 um one was a with a meeting um the other 1584 00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,440 two were just kind of hey we're you know 1585 00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,520 down in 29 palms visiting my son what 1586 00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,119 are you doing he's like come on up i 1587 00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:17,280 can't stand it so you know we'll go up 1588 00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:19,599 there and again extremely generous 1589 00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,559 because 1590 00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:21,920 and i'm just gonna 1591 00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,720 be honest we go out to the store and i'm 1592 00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,119 like oh i need some swag he's like pick 1593 00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,119 out anything you want it's on me so i 1594 00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:31,280 mean you know and my husband was with us 1595 00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:32,720 because honestly 1596 00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,559 lou is my husband texts him as much as i 1597 00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:39,440 do so to speak and um they're veterans 1598 00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,640 they're 1599 00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:42,559 military veterans together they come 1600 00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:44,799 from the same cloth and they knew each 1601 00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,040 other their brothers and so there's 1602 00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:49,359 there was an immediate bond between all 1603 00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:50,400 of us 1604 00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,200 and 1605 00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:53,200 to this day he treats me kind of like a 1606 00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,640 little sister 1607 00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:56,640 well um if you ever know next time you 1608 00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,480 speak to lou i i just spent like a 1609 00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,240 hundred dollars on t-shirts and hoodies 1610 00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:01,920 so yeah you can tell me through an 1611 00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,559 autograph next time if this spots the 1612 00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,880 what's the name um but yeah i had to 1613 00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,160 give in as well because i've wanted to 1614 00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:09,839 buy some stuff from the store and listen 1615 00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:12,079 i've always said it's not a secret and 1616 00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,200 i'm sure those people listen to this 1617 00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,359 that hate to the stars and i bang on 1618 00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:17,359 about it i'm an absolute fanboy for this 1619 00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:20,559 unidentified for lou tom the whole crew 1620 00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,680 what they do 1621 00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:23,520 yes they've made mistakes no they're not 1622 00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:26,240 perfect and i i don't think people have 1623 00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:27,599 to believe in them but whether you 1624 00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,119 believe their whole story whatever 1625 00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:31,040 they're doing they have opened up this 1626 00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:32,880 conversation in a way that no one else 1627 00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:34,000 ever has 1628 00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:35,920 and i feel there's a whole part of 1629 00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:38,880 ufology in the history of it that is not 1630 00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:41,520 irrelevant now but it's time that that's 1631 00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,240 locked up and moved on from 1632 00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:46,400 because 1633 00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:49,040 academy has outgrown 1634 00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:51,599 the status quo they have raised that bar 1635 00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,640 so high 1636 00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:54,559 that if you're not having you know 1637 00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:56,799 people with almost security clearances 1638 00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,240 and evidence and videos from our best 1639 00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,480 tech out there you know our 1640 00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:03,920 fighter jets 1641 00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:07,520 gathering information and so um yeah and 1642 00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:09,440 they've raised the bar and i it needed 1643 00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,640 to be done 1644 00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:13,040 um we've been redundant spinning wheels 1645 00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:16,240 i mean you know mufon has a decent role 1646 00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:18,319 as collecting reports 1647 00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:20,000 what have they what have they put out in 1648 00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:21,440 50 years 1649 00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:24,720 zitch zilch nothing and that really has 1650 00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:27,839 affected the field of ufology or 1651 00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,240 science behind it or anything so 1652 00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:32,640 you know i think these groups and you 1653 00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:34,160 know even some of the investigators like 1654 00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:35,440 myself if you're not going to up the 1655 00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:38,160 game if you're not going to 1656 00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,119 somehow work on security clearances you 1657 00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:43,280 won't be part of the discussion in the 1658 00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:45,839 future of where this is going unless 1659 00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:48,240 you're a young gun these young guys 1660 00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:50,480 i'm not even joking like you're you're 1661 00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,119 one of the you know front guys as one of 1662 00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,520 the young guns see danny silva there's 1663 00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:57,520 there's a few others and they're rocking 1664 00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:01,040 it and people like me and george knapp 1665 00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,960 and a lot of other people are looking at 1666 00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:05,520 them richard dolan and we're looking at 1667 00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:08,400 you guys like thank frigging goodness 1668 00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,079 because you're coming at this in the way 1669 00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:12,559 it should be you're not stumbling around 1670 00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,559 in a field you know with a little you 1671 00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:16,640 know pencil and pen 1672 00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:19,839 which or paper which you know okay so 1673 00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,240 you say this where's the evidence so you 1674 00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,079 guys are really pushing this even 1675 00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:26,400 further up and a lot of people can't 1676 00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,599 keep up with you and i think that's 1677 00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,760 where some of the resentment may be but 1678 00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:31,680 suck it up people because 1679 00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:34,400 we're all about this this movement going 1680 00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:37,920 forward and we needed the young guns we 1681 00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:40,480 needed the younger guys to come take 1682 00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:43,119 over like i'm old linda molten howl like 1683 00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:44,799 we're we're getting up there to where 1684 00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:45,920 we're almo 1685 00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:48,400 am i going to retire no i don't think so 1686 00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:49,920 but 1687 00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:52,400 you know i think there's things that we 1688 00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:56,079 have to i love um i've asked deep 1689 01:00:03,430 --> 00:59:59,520 uh deep friezad on ufo twitter he's 1690 01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:03,440 helped in a very very um important case 1691 01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,079 that's actually um 1692 01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,680 tremendously 1693 01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:09,200 it's like one of the best cases i've 1694 01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,119 ever had and 1695 01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,440 i reached out to him because of what his 1696 01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,079 science has done his science backing up 1697 01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:18,799 and he worked with my witnesses like 1698 01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:21,599 they were amazing and so you know i need 1699 01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:23,920 we we need to start bringing in you know 1700 01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:25,920 the younger groups everyone knows i love 1701 01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:27,920 danny silva call me a fangirl i don't 1702 01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:30,640 care i love the guy and you know it's 1703 01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:32,799 just that's that's how all this goes but 1704 01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:35,119 ufo twitter is kind of my favorite go-to 1705 01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:37,119 right now because the 1706 01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:38,559 people that are following that are 1707 01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:39,920 involved 1708 01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:41,760 does it get a little dicey sometimes 1709 01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:43,760 yeah and that's okay 1710 01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:45,760 does it get a little heated and debate 1711 01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:48,480 it does that's okay 1712 01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:51,040 what it is is this this core group of 1713 01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:52,240 people 1714 01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,799 that you know there's paul and stephen 1715 01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,559 and you you know you know them all like 1716 01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:58,880 we're all like there's a core and we're 1717 01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,000 going to work together and we're going 1718 01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:02,000 to keep pushing this forward 1719 01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:03,440 and and that's that and what excites me 1720 01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:04,799 just before i move on is i'm going to 1721 01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:07,040 talk about roswell the phoenix lights 1722 01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:09,520 betty and barney hill travis walton 1723 01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:12,079 all these cases have their place 1724 01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:14,160 and yeah have yet to be properly 1725 01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:16,799 explained and i do mean like as in 100 1726 01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:18,160 this is what happened 1727 01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:20,240 and what i'd rather as the next time we 1728 01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,720 really discuss those in great detail is 1729 01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:24,960 because of what potentially ttsa or 1730 01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:26,319 another group that might come along who 1731 01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:28,400 knows what they find out and what comes 1732 01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:30,319 to fruition those are then being 1733 01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:32,079 explained as to here's what actually 1734 01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,480 happened because we've got incidents 1735 01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,640 we're finding out happening last week 1736 01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:38,640 today maybe right now there's a nuclear 1737 01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:40,480 carrier group out somewhere in an ocean 1738 01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:43,280 being buzzed by tic tacs and if it's us 1739 01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:45,200 technology wow 1740 01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:46,799 how did they break the laws of physics 1741 01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:48,640 and when did they get this and how did 1742 01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:50,400 they discover it is it back engineered 1743 01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,440 does it 1744 01:01:55,029 --> 01:01:53,280 what happened that that's fine but if 1745 01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:55,039 it's something else then great but this 1746 01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,960 stuff's happening now this is the stuff 1747 01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,200 i want to see and hear about and see the 1748 01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,200 cool videos of because everyone from 1749 01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:03,200 roswell's dying are dead which is which 1750 01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:05,440 is awful but it's because it's been so 1751 01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:07,839 long whereas i feel it's it's incredible 1752 01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:10,559 how quickly people want to move on past 1753 01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:12,799 the nimitz princeton incident for me for 1754 01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:15,200 me that's the new roswell as we stand 1755 01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:17,760 but people are sick of it already 1756 01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:19,839 yes absolutely and you're correct and 1757 01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:22,400 that's you know in rental shop you know 1758 01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:24,319 one of the best documents my favorite 1759 01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:27,359 case actually and you know but 1760 01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:29,920 we've heard him for the last 40 years 1761 01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:31,760 come on guys like we have to have 1762 01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:33,599 something different which was what was 1763 01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:36,799 so refreshing when you know um when lou 1764 01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:39,119 put the stealth out here and you know 1765 01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:40,720 this is a guy of 1766 01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,280 tremendous honor and character so you 1767 01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:45,839 know when you look back on his career 1768 01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,359 and vetted a dd214 the guy's not lying 1769 01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:51,599 about any of it um 1770 01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:54,000 you know we needed that we needed that 1771 01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,440 new boost of a little adrenaline to get 1772 01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:59,359 guys like you 1773 01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,520 in the game full-time 1774 01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,599 helping us run those balls down in fact 1775 01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:05,440 um i would say that a lot of you guys 1776 01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:08,640 are you know uh quarterbacking now 1777 01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:10,720 so shauna who is one of the patreons as 1778 01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:13,520 well she's got a couple of questions um 1779 01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:15,520 have you got any advice on how to change 1780 01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:17,920 someone's beliefs when it comes to ufo 1781 01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:20,319 or paranormal events when the evidence 1782 01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:22,960 just isn't enough for them 1783 01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,960 yeah a lot of times you're not going to 1784 01:03:29,910 --> 01:03:27,280 change their mind what you can do is 1785 01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:29,920 just maybe challenge them with some of 1786 01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:32,160 the latest evidence which is 1787 01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:34,000 you know a lot of people will kind of i 1788 01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:36,240 love ancient aliens obviously 1789 01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:37,920 i believe some of it some of it it's a 1790 01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:40,160 little stretched farfetch'd for me but 1791 01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:41,839 um 1792 01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,000 you look unidentified and the people 1793 01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:46,799 behind the new york times article and 1794 01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:48,799 just the credentials and 1795 01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:51,520 to remind them of the tech these this is 1796 01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:52,319 our 1797 01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:55,440 millions of dollars spent on a camera 1798 01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,160 in a freaking flyer or a jet right a 1799 01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:00,319 fighter jet and you know it comes up 1800 01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:01,760 with this kind of evidence and then you 1801 01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:04,559 have witnesses of some of our the most 1802 01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:05,760 trained 1803 01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:09,440 and dedicated smartest people to fly 1804 01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:10,799 these jets 1805 01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:12,319 and and they're trained observers 1806 01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:13,839 obviously they know what's up there and 1807 01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:15,200 they're telling you we didn't know what 1808 01:04:18,549 --> 01:04:17,599 it was and here's the proof and we sent 1809 01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,559 it to 1810 01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:21,119 how many labs you know labs that we 1811 01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,119 could never eat we don't even know about 1812 01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:25,599 right like you know what every 1813 01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:27,039 and and they're coming out and then 1814 01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:28,319 you've got some guys saying it's a 1815 01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:29,520 seagull so 1816 01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:31,119 it's just 1817 01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:34,880 that's our world yeah and i mean 1818 01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:36,720 i would i would go with the best 1819 01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:39,280 evidence and modern evidence 1820 01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,039 because that's what's playing right now 1821 01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:43,680 like even on tucker so you know now that 1822 01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:46,160 is being given some respect in the 1823 01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:47,680 mainstream media 1824 01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,599 um but that that's what i would suggest 1825 01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:51,359 and if they don't come forward or they 1826 01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:53,359 don't drop they kind of probably don't 1827 01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:56,160 want to for whatever reason 1828 01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:58,480 and um you mentioned earlier on anthony 1829 01:05:02,230 --> 01:05:00,000 which was anthony lippe who's the 1830 01:05:05,029 --> 01:05:02,240 showrunner for unidentified and i spoke 1831 01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:05,039 with him for a preview of season two and 1832 01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:07,359 he mentioned that and all that testimony 1833 01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:08,960 that they had sent and 1834 01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:11,119 uh they actually had people from nasa 1835 01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:12,960 get in touch who just went ready to go 1836 01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,200 on camera with some of the things they 1837 01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:17,039 were talking about and i thought that 1838 01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:19,039 was incredible and you know if we get a 1839 01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:20,640 season three that would be great to hear 1840 01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,640 but like you say there's there's a lot 1841 01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:24,720 of really credible evidence coming out 1842 01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,480 there and as crazy as some of it might 1843 01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:28,559 sound these are from the people that 1844 01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:29,920 these are the ones you have to listen to 1845 01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:31,520 and have to believe 1846 01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:33,200 yeah because they have the security 1847 01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:34,400 clearances and are part of the 1848 01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:36,400 discussion that none of us are 1849 01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,480 and honestly 1850 01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:40,559 when he when anthony can say that 1851 01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:42,799 anthony's completely right and they're 1852 01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:44,559 even getting things 1853 01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:45,920 brought in 1854 01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:48,400 where i would imagine let me let me put 1855 01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:50,880 it this way i would imagine that lou 1856 01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:54,079 elizondo stephen justice and chris 1857 01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:56,480 mellon would be read into certain 1858 01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:57,920 aspects 1859 01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:00,559 of the phenomena even if it comes from 1860 01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:03,359 outside sources like nasa or you know 1861 01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:05,920 the army or even nsa 1862 01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:06,799 um 1863 01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:08,799 you know i've often said you know 1864 01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:10,799 ufology has always had this kind of 1865 01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:13,839 disdain for government people like a cia 1866 01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:16,240 guy can't see it have a sighting 1867 01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:17,119 like 1868 01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:19,119 we we've 1869 01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:20,640 kind of cut our nose off despite our 1870 01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:22,400 face for 50 years with a lot of the 1871 01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:24,319 thinking and mindset in this and you 1872 01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,480 know the pushback um even with 1873 01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:28,079 government you know when you when you're 1874 01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:29,359 trying to lobby or get someone's 1875 01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:30,720 attention you don't stand out there 1876 01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:32,960 screaming you're a liar you're hiding 1877 01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:34,480 everything and we want to know the truth 1878 01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:35,680 now 1879 01:06:44,549 --> 01:06:41,119 have had two full citizens hearings on 1880 01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,559 disclosure we have petitioned 1881 01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,400 they don't want us they 1882 01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:48,240 you know their mindset who are you gonna 1883 01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:49,920 call you gonna call a chase clitzy or 1884 01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:53,119 you can call steve justice 1885 01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:54,880 and listen as at this really good point 1886 01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,319 because i think sometimes you can just 1887 01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:58,799 get so lost in what we're used to like 1888 01:07:02,069 --> 01:07:00,720 this is the mindset this is what the 1889 01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:02,079 process we follow with these things 1890 01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:04,000 these are the questions that we always 1891 01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:06,640 ask i spoke to gary vertice pj hughes 1892 01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,640 and kevin day on a round table for the 1893 01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:10,960 incident or the nimitz princeton and and 1894 01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:12,960 they mentioned they were talking about 1895 01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:14,480 one of the things that people very 1896 01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:16,160 quickly will debunk the whole incident 1897 01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,039 of being u.s tech or a military trial or 1898 01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:21,119 test on its own people which let's be 1899 01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:22,319 honest i wouldn't put it past any 1900 01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:24,000 government to do that as bad as it may 1901 01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:24,720 be 1902 01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:27,599 um was how quickly people appeared on 1903 01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:30,400 the carrier after fravor commander favor 1904 01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,559 had he's like you know he's contact if 1905 01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:34,400 you want to call it that but they they 1906 01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:36,079 may they mentioned that remember this 1907 01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,240 wasn't an incident that happened in in 1908 01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:40,559 30 minutes in one day these things were 1909 01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:43,280 tracked by various organizations you 1910 01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:44,480 don't know who was looking at these 1911 01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:47,520 things for two weeks yep and 1912 01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:48,880 i think they actually mentioned that 1913 01:07:53,620 --> 01:07:51,280 there are organizat i suggested 1914 01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:53,630 something like you know a missile um 1915 01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:54,880 [Music] 1916 01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,640 what would you call a missile tracking 1917 01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:58,160 station that would look for 1918 01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:00,240 intercontinental ballistic missiles 1919 01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:01,760 potentially because they wouldn't name 1920 01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:03,839 it but they said there are stations on 1921 01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,839 the coast that may have been watching 1922 01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:07,440 these things coming from wherever they 1923 01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:09,200 were coming from and that's why they 1924 01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:11,440 were so quick to when there was any kind 1925 01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:13,680 of engagement appear on that carrier and 1926 01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:15,440 be like no we'll take that we'll take 1927 01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:18,159 this here's and so you can totally get 1928 01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:19,759 that and sometimes it's just that what 1929 01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:21,600 if that isn't out there yet and i think 1930 01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,440 people like luella's own though whether 1931 01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:25,440 you're a fan of his or not he's very 1932 01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:27,279 good at what he does and he's he's he 1933 01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:29,040 drops in like you say at least their 1934 01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:30,640 eggs and hints but sometimes not so 1935 01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:33,120 subtle when he'll say 1936 01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:34,960 what if this and he does that look that 1937 01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:36,960 you've probably seen in person but i've 1938 01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:38,719 watched on numerous youtube clips and 1939 01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:40,640 interviews where he looks up and away as 1940 01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:43,120 if how do i say this in a way that i'm 1941 01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:44,560 allowed to say 1942 01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,040 um yeah it just drops 1943 01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:49,440 which are which i always love um 1944 01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:51,600 but yeah um and you mentioned lobbying 1945 01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:54,159 in dc seana also wanted to ask how much 1946 01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:56,159 of your time do you still devote to 1947 01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:58,080 lobbying i know you're not registered 1948 01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:59,920 anymore for that and i'm not totally 1949 01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:01,920 clued up on lobbying but 1950 01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:03,520 yeah and i didn't register because i 1951 01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:05,359 never needed it it's it's it's a 1952 01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,480 registration 1953 01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:08,799 that's kind of like a look at me look at 1954 01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:11,199 me or you know i i don't know you know 1955 01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:13,040 how to describe it i just didn't need it 1956 01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,799 um if you have if you're the right 1957 01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:16,719 person with information that they want 1958 01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:17,600 to know 1959 01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:19,040 they're going to let you in and that's 1960 01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,120 exactly what happened i talked to junior 1961 01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:23,440 staffers i have talked to one senator 1962 01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:26,560 and some of the information was really 1963 01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,480 just backing up 1964 01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:30,960 some of the cases i knew about of 1965 01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:33,759 what to the stars is putting out but 1966 01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:35,679 you know um 1967 01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,239 lobbying right now um is almost 1968 01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:40,719 impossible because of kovid and you know 1969 01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,920 they're just not letting people if 1970 01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:43,839 you're not an essential you're not going 1971 01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:44,960 to get in 1972 01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:47,279 and but you can still make phone calls 1973 01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,239 and there are ufo twitter oh my gosh 1974 01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:52,319 like how active are we 1975 01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:53,679 as a group 1976 01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:55,360 calling emailing like we're always 1977 01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:57,040 putting that stuff on i put the i put 1978 01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:59,199 the number out for you know the senator 1979 01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:00,960 it's like here's their phone number guys 1980 01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,520 like call them and uh 1981 01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:05,360 but we have to be smart about it we 1982 01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,560 don't want to call and say you know we 1983 01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:08,239 know you're keeping secrets and we want 1984 01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:09,760 disclosure now 1985 01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:10,719 um 1986 01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:14,159 i would do it smart okay so so when i'm 1987 01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:18,239 talking to like senator um from kentucky 1988 01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:21,600 um oh i just lost his name 1989 01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:23,199 it'll come to me a minute anyway i'm 1990 01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:25,280 talking to him he's all about the money 1991 01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:27,520 so you know this is a libertarian this 1992 01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:30,560 is a tea party guy and so on you know i 1993 01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:32,480 call and i said you're really interested 1994 01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:34,480 i saw this thing on tucker tucker 1995 01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:38,239 carlson about these videos like 1996 01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,800 where's that money coming from like this 1997 01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:43,120 whole like eight tip like where did they 1998 01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:45,520 get that kind of money and you know if 1999 01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:47,280 it's a riled up it's like oh yeah i want 2000 01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:49,280 to know too and i and are they still 2001 01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:51,280 investing in this so these are the 2002 01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:53,199 questions that i ask when i'm there i'm 2003 01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:54,800 not gonna i'm not gonna sit there and 2004 01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:55,920 petition 2005 01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,679 and you know point fingers that the 2006 01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:59,280 government's keeping secrets of course 2007 01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:01,120 they're keeping secrets we have enemies 2008 01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:02,719 and even our friends spy on us how do 2009 01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:04,960 you think you know friggin israel got 2010 01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,960 you know their latest helicopter you 2011 01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:08,400 know so it's 2012 01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:10,320 there are realities paired that the 2013 01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:12,400 average person like myself 2014 01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,480 really doesn't realize until you get in 2015 01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:15,920 the game and the only way you're going 2016 01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:18,719 to get in that game is realize where 2017 01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,320 they're where the influence is coming 2018 01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:22,640 from and in dc 2019 01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:25,280 if you're an insider 2020 01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:26,719 and i'm telling you you can go and 2021 01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,280 you'll see steve bannon you'll see rahim 2022 01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:32,159 kasam you'll see jack maxey you go to 2023 01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:34,400 morton's steakhouse and you start a 2024 01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:36,159 discussion around the bar 2025 01:11:39,910 --> 01:11:37,840 the other place that's very very 2026 01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:39,920 effective where you're finding the right 2027 01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:42,000 people with the right connections is the 2028 01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:45,440 army navy club that's a club of former 2029 01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:46,719 officers 2030 01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:50,320 yeah 2031 01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,880 and you mingle and you share things and 2032 01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,560 you know they hook each other up and 2033 01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:56,560 they're you know giving giving you job 2034 01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:58,159 opportunities or whatever but there's 2035 01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,280 also 2036 01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:01,199 an avenue where you're learning 2037 01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:02,320 information 2038 01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:04,320 you're a trusted part if you're one of 2039 01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:06,880 them and that my husband is so 2040 01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:09,280 you know i think it's not so much you 2041 01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:10,159 know just 2042 01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,920 going up and you know walking the halls 2043 01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:13,920 anymore especially with coven they're 2044 01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:16,239 not it's not going to happen you have to 2045 01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:18,400 have the inside connections and know 2046 01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:21,120 where the discussion will be listened to 2047 01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,640 and move forward 2048 01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,159 and it's really interesting how you talk 2049 01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:26,480 about a senator and how if they've got a 2050 01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:28,239 particular interest in money you talk 2051 01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,400 about money that's very similar i'm 2052 01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:32,640 guessing to if you wanted to approach 2053 01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,159 the military you would use a threat 2054 01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,080 narrative because you would want to 2055 01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:38,159 discuss so and that's what i think 2056 01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:40,000 people get too hung up on 2057 01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:42,000 or talking about threat and these things 2058 01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:43,520 want to attack and how do we shoot them 2059 01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:45,840 down but no when you're talking military 2060 01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,159 you're you're talking defense and the 2061 01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:50,560 opposite of defense attack so that's how 2062 01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:52,239 you engage these people and how you get 2063 01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:54,159 into that conversation 2064 01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:56,800 and the guy i talked to was rand paul so 2065 01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:00,159 when you you contact him and right he 2066 01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:01,840 doesn't want to hear anything about ufos 2067 01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:04,400 he could care less or it's like well is 2068 01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:05,920 there something going on now i need to 2069 01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:09,360 know well yeah where's the money going 2070 01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:11,199 so you know you have to be you have to 2071 01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:13,440 play this and in dc it is a game i hate 2072 01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:16,880 to say it is horrible and it's brutal um 2073 01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:18,480 dc is tough 2074 01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:19,360 and 2075 01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:20,719 you've gotta 2076 01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:23,440 honestly be you need to fit in with the 2077 01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,239 the insiders if any information is going 2078 01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:28,800 anywhere and that's why lou and the guys 2079 01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:31,679 are at 150 percent 2080 01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:34,239 um the guys on the inside of all of this 2081 01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,679 right now 2082 01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:37,679 um that was shauna so carl had a 2083 01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:39,280 question which keeps us on the same 2084 01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:41,760 theme hi chase do you see the trend 2085 01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:44,000 continuing with more senators ignoring 2086 01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:46,640 the stigma on the subject and tackling 2087 01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:53,590 i think it's definitely in more the in 2088 01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:56,400 um the intelligence side of the house 2089 01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:59,440 and you know that kind of committee 2090 01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:01,199 the justice department's not going to be 2091 01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:02,640 involved in that or anything at this 2092 01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:04,800 time but intelligence committee has all 2093 01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:06,960 these subcommittees and once you start 2094 01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,960 getting working through that um i do 2095 01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:10,320 believe it's moving forward it's going 2096 01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:12,400 to be slow these guys can't even go to 2097 01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:15,199 work half the time it's annoying um they 2098 01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:16,800 don't even show up 2099 01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:17,840 so 2100 01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:19,760 right now i think you know kovitz kind 2101 01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:22,080 of flipped everything but make no bones 2102 01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:24,800 about this is still being taken 2103 01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:27,199 seriously and being moved not only 2104 01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:28,640 through the pentagon 2105 01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,560 but you know through the intelligence of 2106 01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:32,159 the people that should know 2107 01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,960 um 2108 01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:35,040 the the military hasn't stopped working 2109 01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,080 because of covet and neither have like 2110 01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,640 some of these you know the cia the fbi 2111 01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:42,719 whoever is involved in that um you know 2112 01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:44,560 they're not on break either 2113 01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:47,440 i'd like to follow up on that one with 2114 01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:50,480 has or is the us election 2115 01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:52,719 that's coming up affecting the progress 2116 01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:54,400 on this and is it going to make a 2117 01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:56,320 difference as to who gets into 2118 01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:58,800 government next as to how this 2119 01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:00,960 progresses or is there something that 2120 01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:03,920 is is apart from that 2121 01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:06,080 yeah and it doesn't matter like who 2122 01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:07,840 you're voting for or who you're rooting 2123 01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:09,679 for 2124 01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:12,560 i've always seen trump as a disrupter 2125 01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:15,520 this guy is not a career politician so 2126 01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,120 what do you do when 2127 01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:19,360 you know somebody comes in who is who 2128 01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:22,159 knows how dc works is don't run don't 2129 01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:23,679 ruffle this one 2130 01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:26,480 don't go after nancy pelosi you know let 2131 01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:29,040 her think she's a neck or whatever you 2132 01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:30,239 know it's 2133 01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:31,920 i think we need a disrupter i think we 2134 01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:34,800 need someone who doesn't give a crap 2135 01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:37,280 who it pisses off if there's secret 2136 01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:40,080 keepers over here i don't think he cares 2137 01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:42,880 um he's talked about it a little bit um 2138 01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:45,280 i haven't heard biden say anything so 2139 01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:47,920 you know we'll we'll see what happens um 2140 01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,000 but i don't think it's necessarily about 2141 01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:52,480 the president anymore they're temporary 2142 01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:54,239 employees they're not going to get 2143 01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:56,239 everything everybody knows and they 2144 01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:57,679 don't want anything they just get the 2145 01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,920 most important but they're temporary so 2146 01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:03,840 you know they may not get everything if 2147 01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:05,199 that makes sense 2148 01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:08,320 absolutely acom on twitter was asking 2149 01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:10,320 what do you think the next steps are for 2150 01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,159 congress 2151 01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:14,480 i think they need to push through um 2152 01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,400 which i think that people think it's 2153 01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:18,719 already passed and it hasn't 2154 01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:20,480 this spill is still sitting 2155 01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:22,800 um it's through everything it needs to 2156 01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:23,520 be 2157 01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:29,600 once that goes forward 2158 01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:33,199 then we start asking about these 2159 01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:35,679 mysterious objects and and things like 2160 01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:37,920 this as we go forward 2161 01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,440 again it's how you 2162 01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:41,520 message this if you're going to get a 2163 01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:42,880 response 2164 01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:44,719 but it's the people that need to keep 2165 01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,159 this going 2166 01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:48,080 because if they're not interested it's 2167 01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:50,560 going to go right back where it usually 2168 01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:53,679 is that's the military complex 2169 01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:56,239 are you hopeful um that 2170 01:17:01,990 --> 01:16:58,880 if and when this uap task force comes to 2171 01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:02,000 fruition and pub sort of report that 2172 01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:04,880 it's it's worthwhile 2173 01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:07,199 yes but we won't see it 2174 01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:08,960 we may get some of it 2175 01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:11,600 but we're not going to see that report 2176 01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,960 and you mean we're not going to see the 2177 01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:14,640 good stuff that we want to actually see 2178 01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:16,400 that's that's the issue 2179 01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:17,760 but we're not going to get to see the 2180 01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:20,239 good stuff that we would want to see 2181 01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:22,239 no because if we really do have it in 2182 01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:23,760 our possession 2183 01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:25,600 and i believe we do 2184 01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:28,159 um we don't want russia and china to 2185 01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:31,040 know and even take this even further 2186 01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:32,719 does that make sense like we don't want 2187 01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:34,320 them to know because now it's a new 2188 01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:37,520 target of espionage 2189 01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:39,040 it's very technical when you start 2190 01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:42,400 thinking of national security 2191 01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:43,440 that's a good point because that's 2192 01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,800 something like obviously you 2193 01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:46,480 straightaway go to the superpowers 2194 01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:49,199 russia china us and if one of them's got 2195 01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:51,199 it then it's a new technology but then i 2196 01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:53,040 never thought about espionage before and 2197 01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:54,640 then you start to get about james bond 2198 01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:56,159 with it don't you that you then have 2199 01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:58,080 people infiltrating and spies within 2200 01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:59,760 governments and passing things back and 2201 01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:02,000 forward so yeah it just opens up 2202 01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:03,840 arguments that you see the common people 2203 01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:05,679 we just don't think about and it goes 2204 01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:08,080 into like heavy conspiracy territory but 2205 01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:10,239 it's just also fact that there's a lot 2206 01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:12,400 of money and power at stake and it goes 2207 01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:14,719 beyond you know are our aliens real yes 2208 01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:16,159 or no 2209 01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:19,360 yeah and just having that exotic tech 2210 01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:21,120 it'd be the new cold war i mean you 2211 01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:22,960 think of the cold war it's all about you 2212 01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:25,600 know obtaining uranium and nukes and you 2213 01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:27,840 know the fastest plane and you know it 2214 01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:30,480 was just his big arms 2215 01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:32,080 and it very well could turn into that 2216 01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:34,640 again if there's you know confirmation 2217 01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,960 on certain things and i just don't i 2218 01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:38,400 just don't think our 2219 01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:39,840 protectors or the people that are in 2220 01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:41,920 charge of our safety are going to put 2221 01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:43,520 that out there 2222 01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:45,520 and that leads us on to a similar 2223 01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:48,000 question from breakwater do you believe 2224 01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:51,199 we have crashed materials from ufos to 2225 01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:53,440 the stars academy have said we do but 2226 01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:55,440 where would these materials be or is it 2227 01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:01,669 no they're not lying they absolutely um 2228 01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:04,960 know of crashed material and there are 2229 01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:06,719 several ways now i don't know where they 2230 01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:09,520 store it but and i've never been told 2231 01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:10,960 that's a good question i should ask that 2232 01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:13,600 next time but truthful right 2233 01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:15,280 truthfully um 2234 01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:18,000 didn't robert babylo like he's been like 2235 01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:19,920 a center trusted 2236 01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:23,040 contractor in this whole thing forever 2237 01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:25,760 then he admitted building a larger 2238 01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:28,960 warehouse to store some of these objects 2239 01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:31,920 um i would i would 2240 01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:34,320 if it was me i would guess that he had 2241 01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:35,440 most of it 2242 01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:37,520 and the reason being being private 2243 01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:40,560 industry he's not required for you so 2244 01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:42,320 that he doesn't have to tell anybody 2245 01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:44,320 anything including the government so 2246 01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:46,239 it's probably the safest place to keep 2247 01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:48,000 it he had the security he had the right 2248 01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:50,159 bit you know he had everything he needed 2249 01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:52,800 to put it there that's my personal guess 2250 01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:54,880 i don't think area 51 and all that i 2251 01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:58,000 think it's in private industry 2252 01:20:01,030 --> 01:19:59,360 and that was something that follows up 2253 01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:01,040 on the there was a lot of focus on the 2254 01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:04,880 22 million dollar budget that atep or 2255 01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:07,199 sap had when a lot of people made the 2256 01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:08,639 point of that 2257 01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:10,719 they they were just one sharing 2258 01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,560 resources the government already had so 2259 01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:14,880 they didn't need all this fancy tech and 2260 01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:17,280 secret offices and i imagine a lot of it 2261 01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:18,880 was more administrative than people 2262 01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:20,560 probably realized like someone like lou 2263 01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:22,800 had to work in but then what in the 2264 01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:24,639 private sector 2265 01:20:28,229 --> 01:20:26,159 what was their involvement and what of 2266 01:20:29,669 --> 01:20:28,239 that money went to them or obviously 2267 01:20:31,750 --> 01:20:29,679 there was probably money that we didn't 2268 01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:31,760 see on reports that went to these people 2269 01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:33,520 and like you say it just makes it a lot 2270 01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:34,960 easier to keep things out of for your 2271 01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:37,280 requests and they can do things that the 2272 01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:38,960 government don't have to know about or 2273 01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:42,000 if it's plausible deniability isn't it 2274 01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:44,080 yeah and you know there's a there's a 2275 01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:46,560 few insiders and one of the 2276 01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:50,400 people out there that is probably 2277 01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:52,480 he's a legit journalist first of all but 2278 01:20:55,590 --> 01:20:53,920 george knapp 2279 01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:55,600 he's in the center of all of this and 2280 01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:57,440 they trust him because 2281 01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:58,480 he 2282 01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:00,800 knows 2283 01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:02,719 when things need to be put out or 2284 01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:05,199 whatever but probably one of the 2285 01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:07,840 most trusted journalists in all of this 2286 01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:10,159 is george knapp um and he's part of what 2287 01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,600 we call the vegas pack and that is 2288 01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:16,080 um you know bigelow and and the guy who 2289 01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:19,040 owns a bump top secret i forgot on mark 2290 01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:22,000 allen um you know george nav you know 2291 01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:23,440 there's there's this whole little group 2292 01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,840 of guys out there that you know they 2293 01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:27,360 they stick together and then they're 2294 01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:29,199 working some things george jeff is very 2295 01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:32,880 much a part of um this this phenomenon 2296 01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,560 i'm obviously a big fan of george knapp 2297 01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:36,320 and and coast to coast and all these 2298 01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:37,600 kind of work he's done over the years as 2299 01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:41,360 well so um another question 2300 01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:43,199 i was so fortunate i got to speak with 2301 01:21:46,709 --> 01:21:44,239 him 2302 01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:46,719 in uh branson missouri 2303 01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:50,000 there's 3 000 people in the audience and 2304 01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,040 um i'm yeah i'm a total fan girl with 2305 01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:55,120 george knapp he's amazing and he's so 2306 01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:57,760 nice he's such a nice guy 2307 01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:00,159 i love david interview um i think it was 2308 01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:02,400 with jeremy corbell on coast to coast a 2309 01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:04,800 few months ago and it he talked about 2310 01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:06,560 how he could have broken the story 2311 01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:08,159 before the new york times that leslie 2312 01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:10,719 keane and ralph blumenthal did but he 2313 01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:12,719 realized like a lot of people would have 2314 01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:14,080 but still have done it anyway he 2315 01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:16,239 realized the greater good here as they 2316 01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:18,639 break the story it's more legitimate 2317 01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:20,080 a lot of people don't know who george 2318 01:22:24,070 --> 01:22:22,000 knapp is in the mainstream media 2319 01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,080 worldwide but people know the new york 2320 01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:26,719 times so it was the right thing to do 2321 01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:28,400 and i think that probably gets him a lot 2322 01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:30,159 of respect in the background 2323 01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:32,639 more so than what he already had 2324 01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:35,199 and that's where exactly and that's why 2325 01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,320 a lot of 2326 01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:38,400 the groups are getting smaller out here 2327 01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:39,440 and 2328 01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:41,520 to have somebody with the kind of class 2329 01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:44,639 and understanding and the 2330 01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:45,840 um 2331 01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:48,239 just being so modest that i don't need 2332 01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:50,960 that i don't need to be the guy like you 2333 01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:53,600 know be a team player and really do the 2334 01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:55,679 right thing for the phenomena that's who 2335 01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:57,440 i want to work with that's who i want to 2336 01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:59,280 talk to i want to talk about some of 2337 01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:00,800 these other bozos that they're all about 2338 01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:02,719 like shock jock ufology and putting 2339 01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:04,639 people down and you know 2340 01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:06,880 making things up and doing full radio 2341 01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:08,960 shows tearing down character 2342 01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:11,040 who wants to work with them when you can 2343 01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:13,520 when you can engage guys like george 2344 01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:16,880 knapp and lou and steve justice think of 2345 01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:18,400 chris mellon 2346 01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:21,199 oh my gosh read his resume 2347 01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:23,679 and realize that every single thing on 2348 01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:25,760 every word on that page has a hundred 2349 01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:29,280 people that respect him and trust him 2350 01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:30,639 completely 2351 01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:32,400 so you know i think that's what people 2352 01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:34,719 forget too is that you know there's 2353 01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:37,360 there's things still going on out here 2354 01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:39,440 and the person that 2355 01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:41,199 has that information 2356 01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:42,800 may not need the credit and there's a 2357 01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:45,280 few of us that that do that and george 2358 01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:48,400 is the example of class and grace i've 2359 01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:50,000 mentioned this before but one of one of 2360 01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:52,159 my favorite parts of unidentified season 2361 01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:54,960 two and i feel it's absolutely missed 2362 01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:56,480 out and you talk about easter eggs with 2363 01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:57,360 people 2364 01:24:02,390 --> 01:24:00,320 when the black triangle episodes um with 2365 01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:02,400 david marlar who is a bit large part of 2366 01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:03,840 it and chris mellon 2367 01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:05,840 and chris melons got that look on his 2368 01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:07,679 face of i wish i could just tell you 2369 01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:09,920 well you know what but it does a very 2370 01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:12,159 rare thing and chris mellon goes 2371 01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:13,600 do you know what i think the black 2372 01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:15,360 triangles are doing and he basically 2373 01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:17,679 says he thinks they're mapping the earth 2374 01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:18,880 and i was like 2375 01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:21,920 he he he knows 2376 01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:24,320 more than most what's going on and he's 2377 01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:25,920 telling you they are what is more than 2378 01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:28,320 likely happening so when he says these 2379 01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:30,960 are mapping the earth i just it's never 2380 01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:32,719 really been picked up on and people have 2381 01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:34,880 not heard a lot of follow up on that and 2382 01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:37,040 he said that on camera 2383 01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:40,080 yeah and dave muller is probably one of 2384 01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:42,320 our best researchers he has the biggest 2385 01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:44,400 library out of anybody 2386 01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:45,760 it took a 2387 01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:46,960 one guy 2388 01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:49,120 with the 2389 01:24:54,550 --> 01:24:51,840 fortitude and the foresight to start 2390 01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:54,560 gathering real real information and not 2391 01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:57,199 just everybody's job it's it's just it's 2392 01:25:01,830 --> 01:24:58,719 so impressive what he's done he's the 2393 01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:01,840 only one for me he's he's out done mufon 2394 01:25:07,510 --> 01:25:05,679 he's outdone any other group out here um 2395 01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:07,520 museums all of it 2396 01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:09,920 his collection is 2397 01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:13,040 shocking that's incredible yeah but when 2398 01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:15,199 i saw that that was like a like i'm 2399 01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:16,960 going to use the phaser wet dream um 2400 01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:19,520 when like if you're in the uf and you're 2401 01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:21,520 a guy in your 30s and you see that you 2402 01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:23,040 think oh my god i wish my wife would let 2403 01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:25,120 me do that um but yeah i'm actually 2404 01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:26,719 talking to david marlar have been for a 2405 01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:28,239 little while so i'm hoping to get him on 2406 01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:30,719 the show eventually as well um 2407 01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:33,120 moving on to a question from mike chase 2408 01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:34,639 what for you is the most compelling 2409 01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:36,560 piece of evidence or footage out there 2410 01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:40,320 for ufos aliens uap 2411 01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:43,920 for me it used to be the um metal like 2412 01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:46,960 uh bob white metal um or just the rental 2413 01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:50,080 ship like you know when he was talking 2414 01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:52,960 into the tape recorder in real time 2415 01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:55,040 they find you know um 2416 01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:56,480 elevated 2417 01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:59,520 nuclear readings and or radiation 2418 01:26:03,669 --> 01:26:01,920 readings and you know document these 2419 01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:03,679 holes in the ground or what could be 2420 01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:06,560 considered landing gear um those to me 2421 01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:11,360 are the most compelling um also 2422 01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:14,080 the witnesses like travis and chris 2423 01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:15,440 that 2424 01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:18,800 you know how easy for one of these guys 2425 01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:21,280 in that whole travis walton incident 2426 01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:23,040 could have just said you know what guys 2427 01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:25,360 all right you got us you know we're 2428 01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:27,120 lying what 2429 01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:30,400 they were even offered money and as 2430 01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:31,199 as 2431 01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:34,560 deal 2432 01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:36,159 they didn't and they don't always get 2433 01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:38,639 along so it would be easy to just screw 2434 01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:41,040 one of them right and just say 2435 01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:42,800 and it has never happened so to me the 2436 01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:46,000 travis walton chris bledsoe um 2437 01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:47,440 in the physical evidence some of the 2438 01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:49,520 things we see the implants 2439 01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:51,280 um you know most of them are junk 2440 01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:52,560 they're bbs 2441 01:26:57,669 --> 01:26:54,880 or whatever um but there are some 2442 01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:57,679 there's some really compelling 2443 01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:58,639 um 2444 01:27:02,229 --> 01:27:00,400 objects that have come out of some 2445 01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:02,239 people that really we need to pay 2446 01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:04,880 attention to have you ever got to 2447 01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:07,280 examine any of those ones 2448 01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:09,840 yes um in fact 2449 01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,120 um right now 2450 01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:13,199 um moving forward one and this is a 2451 01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:15,280 really great one guys because 2452 01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:17,360 it didn't come from ufo people you see 2453 01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:19,600 because you know even when i'm having my 2454 01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:21,600 analysis done i never use ufo people 2455 01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,760 it's like the prosecution use it only 2456 01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:25,760 they're witnesses to make a case you'll 2457 01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:28,719 make it you know it's just i don't do it 2458 01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:30,639 so i love this case because this is the 2459 01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:33,360 guy who's a veteran and he's at the va 2460 01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:36,080 he's getting his checkup done and last 2461 01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:37,440 minute he kind of said hey doc you know 2462 01:27:41,110 --> 01:27:39,040 i got this thing in my hand it's been 2463 01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:41,120 there you know since i was active duty 2464 01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:43,280 is there any way we can get it taken out 2465 01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:45,280 he gets an x-ray guy goes yeah that's 2466 01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:47,040 pretty it's almost on the surface i can 2467 01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:48,960 take that out numbs the guy's hand takes 2468 01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:49,840 it out 2469 01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:51,440 and the witness says 2470 01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:54,080 do you mind if i keep that 2471 01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:55,920 and he admits he doesn't know why he 2472 01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:58,480 said that and doctor's like okay so he 2473 01:28:01,590 --> 01:27:59,840 puts it in like a little prescription 2474 01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:01,600 bottle and he actually dates it and puts 2475 01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:04,239 a time stamp on it and the guy goes and 2476 01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:06,000 he starts feeling like 2477 01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:08,000 like he's just had experiences that he's 2478 01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:09,360 not remembering 2479 01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:10,080 so 2480 01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:13,280 he brought it to oklahoma ufo group but 2481 01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:16,239 they were kind of retiring a bit so they 2482 01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:17,679 i got called in 2483 01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:19,920 let's do this so let me direct it to 2484 01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:22,320 some of them so it went to the lab i 2485 01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:25,600 used that's really for initial analysis 2486 01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:27,360 like is this something before i have to 2487 01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:29,840 put like like thousands of dollars you 2488 01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:31,840 know like we do with the dna 2489 01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:34,239 let's have something there first and 2490 01:28:40,709 --> 01:28:38,239 the lab tech um 2491 01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:40,719 it's it's magnetic so you could clearly 2492 01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:43,679 see on a video that it's jumping to that 2493 01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:44,880 magnet 2494 01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:47,520 the other thing was on the other side of 2495 01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,360 it when you put the magnet out there's 2496 01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:51,600 kind of like these hair fibers that were 2497 01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:53,760 kind of reaching out for it 2498 01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:56,000 creeped her out so bad she's like take 2499 01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,760 it so 2500 01:29:01,910 --> 01:29:00,000 i actually said it um to somewhere else 2501 01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:01,920 i can't disclose that right now um i 2502 01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:03,760 will because i don't keep secrets um you 2503 01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:06,800 know on my website or even 2504 01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:07,520 i 2505 01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:20,320 vet 2506 01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:22,400 your experts as well 2507 01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:23,679 so 2508 01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:24,880 anyway 2509 01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:26,320 that's um that's where we're going with 2510 01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:28,960 that i i really have further stuff to do 2511 01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:30,719 with that um 2512 01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:32,880 and honestly i'm i'm 2513 01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,120 really wanting to the stars to jump on 2514 01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:37,440 with me and help me with this one 2515 01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:39,040 i'll look forward to keeping up to date 2516 01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:41,040 with that one as well um i'm going to be 2517 01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:42,400 really cheeky there are still some more 2518 01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:44,320 listener questions but i've got one from 2519 01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:45,199 me 2520 01:29:49,990 --> 01:29:47,600 so uh from a fan's point of view 2521 01:29:51,189 --> 01:29:50,000 you wrote a children's book are aliens 2522 01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:51,199 really real 2523 01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:53,920 and how important is it to engage our 2524 01:29:57,990 --> 01:29:56,320 children early in this conversation and 2525 01:30:00,629 --> 01:29:58,000 do you have any advice for a parent who 2526 01:30:03,669 --> 01:30:00,639 would want to do that 2527 01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:03,679 i you know that it's so funny because my 2528 01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:05,360 though every question really came from 2529 01:30:09,990 --> 01:30:07,120 my grandson when he was like five years 2530 01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:10,000 old and i just kind of wrote him down i 2531 01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:11,600 didn't realize it was going to turn into 2532 01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:13,280 a book but then it did and i thought it 2533 01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:16,400 was really a great idea but i think 2534 01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:20,000 to really discuss mysteries and and just 2535 01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:22,239 really encourage them being curious and 2536 01:30:26,709 --> 01:30:24,080 to do their own research and to make up 2537 01:30:27,910 --> 01:30:26,719 their own mind because when 2538 01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:27,920 at the end 2539 01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:29,760 the grandmother in the book with their 2540 01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:31,679 grandson going through this little park 2541 01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:33,679 with aliens and little aliens in the 2542 01:30:38,470 --> 01:30:36,159 background somewhere which is kind of an 2543 01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:38,480 innuendo of just because you didn't see 2544 01:30:41,669 --> 01:30:40,800 him doesn't mean he's not real or he's 2545 01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:41,679 there 2546 01:30:45,910 --> 01:30:43,840 and you know but um 2547 01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:45,920 you know the grandmother never says yes 2548 01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:47,280 aliens are real 2549 01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:49,360 she encourages him to say well you know 2550 01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:51,600 some people some researchers really 2551 01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:52,960 believe this and you know they might 2552 01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:54,960 have a little to that 2553 01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:56,880 um but she really encourages them to 2554 01:30:59,830 --> 01:30:58,800 make up their own mind so that's i would 2555 01:31:02,310 --> 01:30:59,840 give them 2556 01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:02,320 as as much as they want to know about it 2557 01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:03,840 and 2558 01:31:07,510 --> 01:31:05,360 you know but encourage them to be 2559 01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:07,520 curious and 2560 01:31:10,790 --> 01:31:09,120 not to be afraid to put boots on the 2561 01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:10,800 ground and ask those questions like 2562 01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:12,560 these are these kids you know i'm a 2563 01:31:17,430 --> 01:31:14,960 grandmother my oldest is 18 my youngest 2564 01:31:18,870 --> 01:31:17,440 is four and you know i just i look at 2565 01:31:20,629 --> 01:31:18,880 their little faces 2566 01:31:22,629 --> 01:31:20,639 this is our future you know just like 2567 01:31:24,149 --> 01:31:22,639 the young guns these are the guys coming 2568 01:31:26,390 --> 01:31:24,159 up after you guys 2569 01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:26,400 you're gonna be arts one day old and 2570 01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:28,000 grumpy 2571 01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:33,199 um but my little boy like you say your 2572 01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:35,199 youngest grandchild is for my little 2573 01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:37,360 boy's for and one of his favorite things 2574 01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:40,000 to do is lay out on the trampoline in 2575 01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:41,840 the back garden and use my binoculars to 2576 01:31:46,229 --> 01:31:44,159 look for aliens that he says um so 2577 01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:46,239 you'll try and look at them 2578 01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:47,760 which is great and they'll say oh i 2579 01:31:50,950 --> 01:31:49,520 think i saw a spaceship and i saw this 2580 01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:50,960 and i just i just love them getting 2581 01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:52,800 thinking like that early so that's 2582 01:31:56,709 --> 01:31:55,120 pretty cool um the book is available on 2583 01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:56,719 amazon and i'll be picking up a copy as 2584 01:32:01,990 --> 01:31:58,400 well for for my little boy 2585 01:32:04,070 --> 01:32:02,000 um next quest next question from paul is 2586 01:32:06,310 --> 01:32:04,080 there anything luella zondo told you 2587 01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:06,320 previously that had little relevance at 2588 01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:08,320 the time but later turned out to be an 2589 01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:10,320 easter egg um paul did ask this on 2590 01:32:15,189 --> 01:32:12,960 twitter and you said yes a few times so 2591 01:32:18,229 --> 01:32:15,199 i'd like you to elaborate on that 2592 01:32:20,070 --> 01:32:18,239 yeah absolutely and you know it it comes 2593 01:32:21,750 --> 01:32:20,080 from a friendship so yeah we're sitting 2594 01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:21,760 at a table we're sharing food we're 2595 01:32:25,910 --> 01:32:24,239 having a you know a couple cocktails and 2596 01:32:28,149 --> 01:32:25,920 you know there's just little things and 2597 01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:28,159 lou trusts 2598 01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:30,560 us to keep our mouth shut because we 2599 01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:32,080 come from the same 2600 01:32:36,070 --> 01:32:34,320 you know arena he does 2601 01:32:37,510 --> 01:32:36,080 you know especially with my husband he 2602 01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:37,520 probably has told my husband more than 2603 01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:38,960 me because my husband's security 2604 01:32:43,110 --> 01:32:40,880 clearance but you know and my husband 2605 01:32:45,510 --> 01:32:43,120 doesn't tell me crap either by the way 2606 01:32:47,510 --> 01:32:45,520 and it's it's just yeah definitely 2607 01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:47,520 easter eggs but mostly it's been and he 2608 01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:49,120 does the same thing with danny silva 2609 01:32:51,350 --> 01:32:50,560 it's like we'll get a text message it 2610 01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:51,360 says 2611 01:32:55,110 --> 01:32:53,440 hey this just launched 2612 01:32:57,189 --> 01:32:55,120 and he gives us a like a link or 2613 01:32:59,030 --> 01:32:57,199 something and you know we can put it out 2614 01:33:01,030 --> 01:32:59,040 there first type of thing or just or we 2615 01:33:02,070 --> 01:33:01,040 can see it first it really isn't about 2616 01:33:03,590 --> 01:33:02,080 popular 2617 01:33:06,550 --> 01:33:03,600 it's not this this is getting ready to 2618 01:33:09,590 --> 01:33:06,560 come out and he does the same with danny 2619 01:33:11,750 --> 01:33:09,600 that's really cool when you have those 2620 01:33:13,110 --> 01:33:11,760 well obviously the twitter picture of 2621 01:33:14,470 --> 01:33:13,120 you and louis sitting at the table is 2622 01:33:16,390 --> 01:33:14,480 the one everyone always likes and 2623 01:33:18,870 --> 01:33:16,400 retweets and whatnot 2624 01:33:21,030 --> 01:33:18,880 is there anything like you you ask him 2625 01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:21,040 or you want to know that he just doesn't 2626 01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:22,560 discuss is there anything you would love 2627 01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:24,000 him to give you the answer to but you 2628 01:33:27,669 --> 01:33:25,760 just won't 2629 01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:27,679 oh heck yeah like 2630 01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:29,840 i asked him like i also have like that 2631 01:33:33,830 --> 01:33:32,880 military background bearing you know and 2632 01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:33,840 uh 2633 01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:36,080 and even my my boys are military you 2634 01:33:39,990 --> 01:33:37,760 know so it's kind of like only one thing 2635 01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:40,000 meaner than a marine and that's his mama 2636 01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:41,760 so there's times when i'm looking at lou 2637 01:33:45,590 --> 01:33:43,840 and i'm just like i know the language in 2638 01:33:48,070 --> 01:33:45,600 you know and he's just like can't go 2639 01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:48,080 there can't go there and you know this 2640 01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:50,960 man would never even even 2641 01:33:55,270 --> 01:33:52,400 to like my husband 2642 01:33:57,750 --> 01:33:55,280 you know who was obviously honorable but 2643 01:33:58,870 --> 01:33:57,760 um he would never disclose something 2644 01:34:01,750 --> 01:33:58,880 that 2645 01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:01,760 would would be inappropriate never my 2646 01:34:05,590 --> 01:34:03,440 husband wouldn't lou wouldn't you know 2647 01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:05,600 what these these are the guys that you 2648 01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:07,520 know we grew up with so to speak you 2649 01:34:12,229 --> 01:34:09,840 know been married to pete for over 30 33 2650 01:34:14,709 --> 01:34:12,239 years 30 something but his career was 2651 01:34:16,629 --> 01:34:14,719 over 30 years so you know 2652 01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:16,639 you know we know these guys 2653 01:34:22,950 --> 01:34:19,520 i know steve justice i know lou elizondo 2654 01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:22,960 um you know uh i know chris mellon 2655 01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:25,280 so to speak the these are weird same 2656 01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:28,639 people we are so it really caused a lot 2657 01:34:32,470 --> 01:34:30,719 but that photo of of the two of us was 2658 01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:32,480 actually the first time i ever met him 2659 01:34:37,830 --> 01:34:35,520 and that was in a mufon interview 2660 01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:37,840 and since then you know we stay in touch 2661 01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:39,840 and you know we're friends 2662 01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:41,440 i'll ask a question that will hopefully 2663 01:34:46,629 --> 01:34:43,840 balance out a little bit of my tt 2664 01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:46,639 ttsa fanboy status right 2665 01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:48,719 um kevin i've just admitted to buying 2666 01:34:52,709 --> 01:34:50,159 all the merchandise on their website 2667 01:34:54,870 --> 01:34:52,719 recently as well um 2668 01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:54,880 do you think lou 2669 01:34:58,229 --> 01:34:56,560 and the rest of the crew because there's 2670 01:35:00,550 --> 01:34:58,239 more than just loyalizondo in that group 2671 01:35:02,070 --> 01:35:00,560 but he's he's the front man for it even 2672 01:35:03,189 --> 01:35:02,080 more so i think than tommy's the face 2673 01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:03,199 now 2674 01:35:07,430 --> 01:35:05,360 do you think he is happy where they are 2675 01:35:09,430 --> 01:35:07,440 at right now obviously they say that 2676 01:35:11,830 --> 01:35:09,440 officially online do you think they are 2677 01:35:14,870 --> 01:35:11,840 making the progress that he hoped 2678 01:35:17,109 --> 01:35:14,880 to be making at this point i do because 2679 01:35:19,830 --> 01:35:17,119 i know that they have put this this fall 2680 01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:19,840 in so much further than most of us are 2681 01:35:24,629 --> 01:35:22,480 going to realize right now and 2682 01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:24,639 these are the guys to do it um i i think 2683 01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:28,080 he's very happy with the progress i 2684 01:35:32,390 --> 01:35:30,159 don't think he expected the backlash 2685 01:35:35,669 --> 01:35:32,400 from the ufo community you know i i 2686 01:35:37,830 --> 01:35:35,679 think he expected when this state came 2687 01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:37,840 out that we would all like rally around 2688 01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:39,600 to try to help and like we've been 2689 01:35:43,109 --> 01:35:41,119 waiting for this here's some great 2690 01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:43,119 evidence you know but 2691 01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:45,199 you know the egos and the egos and trust 2692 01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:46,800 me i know about the freaking egos i 2693 01:35:50,950 --> 01:35:48,880 can't deal with them you know most of 2694 01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:50,960 them are cowards you know running behind 2695 01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:54,239 a big mouth honestly and uh 2696 01:35:57,910 --> 01:35:56,400 but lou i do believe he's he's happy 2697 01:35:59,350 --> 01:35:57,920 where things are 2698 01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:59,360 work wise 2699 01:36:02,790 --> 01:36:01,199 i i think there's a mix it with the 2700 01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:02,800 backlash which some of it i do 2701 01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:05,840 understand okay i i understand people or 2702 01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:07,119 don't understand and that's why i don't 2703 01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:09,280 have time for a lot of them but i think 2704 01:36:13,430 --> 01:36:11,440 there's a mix of people are scared to 2705 01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:13,440 get their fingers burned and 2706 01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:15,760 i put my faith in ttsa that they're 2707 01:36:19,350 --> 01:36:17,760 going to kind of run with this okay if i 2708 01:36:21,189 --> 01:36:19,360 had a religion right now it would be to 2709 01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:21,199 the stars academy and what they're 2710 01:36:25,109 --> 01:36:23,199 looking to do and i'm happy with that 2711 01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:25,119 and taking their lead but then i think 2712 01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:26,800 there's a group that people talk about 2713 01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:28,000 narratives 2714 01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:30,080 ptsa and what they want to do it doesn't 2715 01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:31,600 fit their narrative 2716 01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:33,600 because and again i always throw out the 2717 01:36:37,510 --> 01:36:35,440 same genetic examples so apologies if 2718 01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:37,520 this turns out to be true but you know 2719 01:36:41,109 --> 01:36:39,840 if we find that people that throw their 2720 01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:41,119 eggs in the basket off there's this 2721 01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:43,840 alien race from a particular star system 2722 01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:45,440 and they come here and they bring us 2723 01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:47,360 love and light and blah blah 2724 01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:49,040 and if that turns out not to be true 2725 01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:50,400 then that's going to be you know kind of 2726 01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:51,920 detrimental so they don't want that to 2727 01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:53,840 be true you've then got like we talked 2728 01:36:58,709 --> 01:36:56,080 about those maybe ufo celebrities that 2729 01:37:02,310 --> 01:36:58,719 make a lot of money um from various you 2730 01:37:04,790 --> 01:37:02,320 know books and agendas and you know 2731 01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:04,800 masterizations of the truth that maybe 2732 01:37:08,550 --> 01:37:06,400 at one point they'd have a bit of a 2733 01:37:10,149 --> 01:37:08,560 knowledge of what was going on but they 2734 01:37:12,149 --> 01:37:10,159 have now chosen to make a couple of 2735 01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:12,159 hundred thousand dollars off it 2736 01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:13,920 and they don't want the truth to come 2737 01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:15,040 out so i think there's a lot of that 2738 01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:16,560 goes on within the community and i can 2739 01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:18,000 see where a lot of the backlash comes 2740 01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:20,719 from right or wrong 2741 01:37:26,470 --> 01:37:21,520 yeah 2742 01:37:29,830 --> 01:37:26,480 you know to the stars it even surprised 2743 01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:29,840 me i you know they uh even i i wasn't a 2744 01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:31,600 fan of to the stars at first i have to 2745 01:37:36,149 --> 01:37:33,280 be honest when they had that whole thing 2746 01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:36,159 i'm like yeah rockstar is into you know 2747 01:37:40,390 --> 01:37:38,480 secret intelligence meetings 2748 01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:40,400 a guy that just had an interest so he's 2749 01:37:44,470 --> 01:37:42,400 not the guy that actually had stuff 2750 01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:44,480 coming in his hands and i'm thinking 2751 01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:48,800 bull crap then wikileaks friggin drops 2752 01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:51,360 the podesta emails and there's tom 2753 01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:52,719 delong and they're talking about these 2754 01:37:57,189 --> 01:37:55,119 meetings i'm like holy crap 2755 01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:57,199 and you know so i just gave him a chance 2756 01:38:02,629 --> 01:37:59,600 and i just really looked into them and 2757 01:38:05,189 --> 01:38:02,639 and i did the one thing that anybody 2758 01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:05,199 should do is you know call them 2759 01:38:08,229 --> 01:38:06,960 call to the stars call the building you 2760 01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:08,239 know ask them if there's anybody 2761 01:38:11,990 --> 01:38:10,480 available to answer a question um you 2762 01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:12,000 know knock on the door they have a whole 2763 01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:14,239 storefront it's amazing um there's a 2764 01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,000 security guard out there because you 2765 01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:18,320 know tom is a big star 2766 01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:20,159 and uh 2767 01:38:22,629 --> 01:38:21,360 you know but 2768 01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:22,639 it's they're just 2769 01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:24,960 yeah they're just awesome you know and i 2770 01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:26,639 i do believe that 2771 01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:28,080 um 2772 01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:29,360 their hearts in the right place and 2773 01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:33,520 they've really done their due diligence 2774 01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:34,960 to 2775 01:38:38,229 --> 01:38:37,040 push everything exactly where it should 2776 01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:38,239 be right now 2777 01:38:41,510 --> 01:38:39,920 absolutely i had a little bit of a 2778 01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:41,520 twitter argument with someone recently 2779 01:38:43,910 --> 01:38:42,560 who was 2780 01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:43,920 claiming that they were in it for the 2781 01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:45,920 money now i don't know what lou and 2782 01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:48,000 chris melon and those types bank 2783 01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:49,600 balances are like i imagine far 2784 01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:51,600 healthier than mine given what they used 2785 01:38:55,109 --> 01:38:52,800 to do 2786 01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:55,119 tom delong is a very rich man 2787 01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:56,000 he 2788 01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:58,639 has made a lot of money from you know 2789 01:39:03,669 --> 01:39:01,199 you know anything about the melons 2790 01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:03,679 yeah the the family 2791 01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:06,320 either and you know so it's like come on 2792 01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:07,119 guys 2793 01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:08,719 you know we do have the charlatans that 2794 01:39:13,109 --> 01:39:10,560 are in it for the money in the ufo 2795 01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:13,119 community and you either love them or 2796 01:39:16,149 --> 01:39:14,480 you don't so 2797 01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:16,159 you know we have to remember that these 2798 01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:18,400 guys aren't ufo they're not ufologists 2799 01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:20,480 they're not ufo investigators they're 2800 01:39:24,149 --> 01:39:22,719 government insiders and everything about 2801 01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:24,159 them is going to be about national 2802 01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:26,719 security that's what they know that's 2803 01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:29,040 what they know best they're not going to 2804 01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:31,760 be you know all about love and light 2805 01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:33,600 until somebody proves to them there's 2806 01:39:36,709 --> 01:39:35,440 love and light what they're seeing right 2807 01:39:38,870 --> 01:39:36,719 now is 2808 01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:38,880 things in our airspace that we don't 2809 01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:42,239 know what it is and that's a threat 2810 01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:43,600 they're not saying aliens are going to 2811 01:39:48,070 --> 01:39:45,280 kill us all they're just saying those 2812 01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:48,080 unknown objects in our space 2813 01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:50,719 is a threat to national security and 2814 01:39:56,550 --> 01:39:52,480 people freak out over that and it's just 2815 01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:56,560 like guys they're not ufo people they're 2816 01:40:01,109 --> 01:39:58,639 government insiders 2817 01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:01,119 national security that's all they think 2818 01:40:05,669 --> 01:40:03,520 they know nothing else it's crazy but 2819 01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:05,679 anyway 2820 01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:07,760 on that topic of you know what we're 2821 01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:10,480 seeing in our oh and 2822 01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:12,480 on that topic of what we are seeing in 2823 01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:15,600 our airspace uh leif had a question what 2824 01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:17,679 is the probability senators have seen 2825 01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:19,760 longer versions of the gimbal and go 2826 01:40:24,870 --> 01:40:22,000 fast videos 2827 01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:24,880 there are longer versions 2828 01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:27,199 have you seen them 2829 01:40:31,750 --> 01:40:28,880 i can't confirm or deny i've seen 2830 01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:31,760 anything like that but there are longer 2831 01:40:35,669 --> 01:40:33,920 versions absolutely do you think 2832 01:40:38,229 --> 01:40:35,679 senators have seen them and the people 2833 01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:38,239 on on the hill and congress 2834 01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:40,159 absolutely they have absolutely they 2835 01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,320 have they have the need to know they 2836 01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:44,159 also have the clearance to see this kind 2837 01:40:46,950 --> 01:40:45,440 of stuff so 2838 01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:46,960 you know when 2839 01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:48,800 they're presenting their cases there 2840 01:40:53,189 --> 01:40:50,960 what we're getting in the public is as 2841 01:40:55,270 --> 01:40:53,199 much as they possibly can give us and 2842 01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:55,280 they really are giving us as much as 2843 01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:56,320 they can 2844 01:41:00,709 --> 01:40:58,639 promise i promise 2845 01:41:02,830 --> 01:41:00,719 you get into an intelligence committee 2846 01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:02,840 and the need to know in the security 2847 01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:04,719 clearances um 2848 01:41:07,990 --> 01:41:05,920 that's when they're part of the 2849 01:41:10,149 --> 01:41:08,000 discussion and honestly 2850 01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:10,159 where things are right now with that 2851 01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:13,040 with our government is we need to push 2852 01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:13,920 for 2853 01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:15,440 what's going on 2854 01:41:19,350 --> 01:41:17,440 what is going on with this whole topic 2855 01:41:21,669 --> 01:41:19,360 you know can you look into it for me as 2856 01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:21,679 you know the guy i elected in my state 2857 01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:22,800 and 2858 01:41:25,590 --> 01:41:23,920 you know 2859 01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:25,600 that's where we go but these guys 2860 01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:28,159 they're on it from the inside and of 2861 01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:29,840 course they worked at the pentagon what 2862 01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:32,000 is the pentagon responsible for the 2863 01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:34,480 security of every single citizen in this 2864 01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:36,800 country or anybody in this country 2865 01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:38,560 tourists illegal aliens it doesn't 2866 01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:41,199 matter that's their job that's all they 2867 01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:42,239 think about 2868 01:41:46,390 --> 01:41:44,560 so you know the love and light and you 2869 01:41:47,910 --> 01:41:46,400 know all that they want i'm not even 2870 01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:47,920 sure they even understand all that 2871 01:41:52,229 --> 01:41:50,159 because they're not ufo people 2872 01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:52,239 if that makes sense they're not studying 2873 01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:53,920 all that they're not reading everybody's 2874 01:41:58,629 --> 01:41:55,679 books they're not all into this they're 2875 01:42:01,510 --> 01:41:58,639 looking at national security not ufos 2876 01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:01,520 so from forgetting or remembering i'm 2877 01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:03,760 not from the us okay i don't have an 2878 01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:06,239 interest in us national security outside 2879 01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:08,320 of everyone just being safe and happy in 2880 01:42:12,149 --> 01:42:09,679 general okay 2881 01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:12,159 however i would be really disappointed 2882 01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:13,199 if 2883 01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:15,280 i would imagine these longer videos do 2884 01:42:18,950 --> 01:42:17,280 exist like you say i would be really 2885 01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:18,960 disappointed if the only reason we are 2886 01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:21,920 not seeing longer videos is because the 2887 01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:24,560 videos would show recording and military 2888 01:42:28,629 --> 01:42:26,000 capabilities 2889 01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:28,639 that they wouldn't want an adversaries 2890 01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:32,000 to see because i don't care what the us 2891 01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:33,679 or russia or china are trying to hide 2892 01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:34,960 from each other 2893 01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:35,920 they do 2894 01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:40,239 and there's ways and feeds and that's 2895 01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:42,880 that the ways and means of even how we 2896 01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:45,360 get it or how good is our camera like 2897 01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:47,679 how far is it catching things this is 2898 01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:49,360 all stuff the enemy would love to know 2899 01:42:53,510 --> 01:42:51,280 um you know the ways and means is very 2900 01:42:55,109 --> 01:42:53,520 important and of course they're not 2901 01:42:57,350 --> 01:42:55,119 doing this as 2902 01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:57,360 so when they're not thinking like let's 2903 01:43:01,510 --> 01:42:59,440 keep this secret the public doesn't need 2904 01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:01,520 to know they can't handle it they're 2905 01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:03,679 keeping it secret because they don't 2906 01:43:09,030 --> 01:43:05,840 want to know they don't want russia or 2907 01:43:11,189 --> 01:43:09,040 china or other um adversaries and 2908 01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:11,199 enemies to know 2909 01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:13,119 how good our tech can be 2910 01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:15,199 because we're still using it so 2911 01:43:19,990 --> 01:43:17,600 yeah the other thing that people are 2912 01:43:22,229 --> 01:43:20,000 they have to remember these guys don't 2913 01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:22,239 think like ufo people they're thinking 2914 01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:24,480 national security so when they can only 2915 01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:26,639 put part of a video out they're giving 2916 01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:29,040 us i promise every single little nugget 2917 01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:31,520 they can everything they can some things 2918 01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:32,960 we're never gonna see 2919 01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:34,560 do you know where i'm coming from though 2920 01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:36,320 that what what i would want to see is 2921 01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:38,719 for example on the the 2922 01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:42,480 the gimbal video where it rotates 2923 01:43:48,149 --> 01:43:44,320 i'm hoping it doesn't cut off at that 2924 01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:48,159 point because it goes into hd mode or 4k 2925 01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:51,360 mode or ultra zoom okay well i'm hoping 2926 01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:53,920 it cuts off for is because this thing 2927 01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:55,040 rotates 2928 01:43:59,830 --> 01:43:57,280 shoots off or more of them come into 2929 01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:59,840 view and i we then see something a 2930 01:44:03,109 --> 01:44:01,360 little bit more 2931 01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:03,119 not that this thing flying along at the 2932 01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:04,960 speed it is and you know there's more of 2933 01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:07,040 them on the asa and all that as we know 2934 01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:09,360 now has been done to death but i would 2935 01:44:12,709 --> 01:44:10,960 like to think there's more to it that i 2936 01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:12,719 would be interested in seeing 2937 01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:15,119 not that oh my god look how clear that 2938 01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:17,600 video was of that object in the distance 2939 01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:20,080 and imagine that was photographing or 2940 01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:22,320 videoing some chinese fighter jet 2941 01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:23,920 because that's not my interest my 2942 01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:26,000 interest is this is capturing 2943 01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:28,000 potential spacecraft and that that would 2944 01:44:32,390 --> 01:44:30,159 be my disappointment in it but i totally 2945 01:44:34,149 --> 01:44:32,400 understand the military perspective of 2946 01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:34,159 we don't want you to know and again i 2947 01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:35,600 suppose it's one for the debunkers and 2948 01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:37,600 conspiracy theorists you know when you 2949 01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:38,560 see the 2950 01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:40,800 the the gimbal the go fast and then 2951 01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:42,159 there's the 2952 01:44:45,590 --> 01:44:43,840 the one where it just goes out a shot 2953 01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:45,600 and people have argued whether it's just 2954 01:44:49,510 --> 01:44:48,320 losing focus or whether it's but people 2955 01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,520 are saying no it's shooting off at 2956 01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:51,360 incredible speed 2957 01:44:55,750 --> 01:44:53,840 and it's still just a blur on the screen 2958 01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:55,760 but then i suppose the more you add into 2959 01:45:00,070 --> 01:44:58,080 that it adds more to 2960 01:45:02,550 --> 01:45:00,080 to the us capabilities and what they 2961 01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:02,560 could potentially film so i get that but 2962 01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:04,800 again i wouldn't care about that i would 2963 01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:05,920 want to 2964 01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:08,320 i i think a longer video would just have 2965 01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:11,040 a lot more cool stuff in it 2966 01:45:16,550 --> 01:45:12,800 i think all of us would feel the exact 2967 01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:16,560 same way and you know um yeah the fact 2968 01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:19,840 that this is military video um it's it's 2969 01:45:24,390 --> 01:45:22,719 they're only gonna give us what they can 2970 01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:24,400 lou you know 2971 01:45:29,109 --> 01:45:27,199 knew exactly what he was doing and he 2972 01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:29,119 put out exactly 2973 01:45:33,990 --> 01:45:32,400 what was permissible to do 2974 01:45:36,149 --> 01:45:34,000 and 2975 01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:36,159 but you know this guy knows so much more 2976 01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:37,760 so much more 2977 01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:39,440 yeah and i think just at the end of 2978 01:45:43,830 --> 01:45:41,280 unidentified season two when he stands 2979 01:45:45,510 --> 01:45:43,840 up and gets a little emotional uh which 2980 01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:45,520 he doesn't tend to do 2981 01:45:49,109 --> 01:45:46,560 um 2982 01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:49,119 can i told you that anyway so 2983 01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:50,480 yeah i totally get that and he's a 2984 01:45:54,149 --> 01:45:52,239 patriot and he's you know he's very 2985 01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:54,159 proud of what he's done and he's clear 2986 01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:55,840 in season he sticks to that as much as 2987 01:45:59,750 --> 01:45:57,760 it comes across it may frustrate him at 2988 01:46:02,629 --> 01:45:59,760 times what he would love to tell that 2989 01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:02,639 the american public and he's as i hear 2990 01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:04,080 from people who know him as well that i 2991 01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:06,560 speak to that he's a really humble guy 2992 01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:08,320 and he's not one for the fame and 2993 01:46:26,790 --> 01:46:23,270 that was that was awesome but he's he's 2994 01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:26,800 also a dad and he's a husband and he has 2995 01:46:31,109 --> 01:46:29,280 a family you know so 2996 01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:31,119 people want to put lou or any of the 2997 01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:33,360 guys into the stars you know these are 2998 01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:34,800 these are 2999 01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:37,360 our fellow americans that you know 3000 01:46:40,629 --> 01:46:39,360 really are doing the right thing and 3001 01:46:43,990 --> 01:46:40,639 trying to do 3002 01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:44,000 what they need to do and um 3003 01:46:47,270 --> 01:46:45,920 i'll tell you anything they can put out 3004 01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:47,280 they're going to 3005 01:46:49,750 --> 01:46:48,560 yeah 3006 01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:49,760 and i think that's one of those things 3007 01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:51,760 once they're on tv and they're a talking 3008 01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:54,480 head that their life to 3009 01:46:57,830 --> 01:46:55,760 the people with an interest in that 3010 01:46:59,830 --> 01:46:57,840 subject as well just talk about ufos and 3011 01:47:01,669 --> 01:46:59,840 talk about aliens they don't realize 3012 01:47:04,070 --> 01:47:01,679 that 3013 01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:04,080 zondo or tom delong or a chris melon 3014 01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:06,960 finishes that show and drives home and 3015 01:47:10,470 --> 01:47:08,480 cooks her kid's dinner 3016 01:47:13,510 --> 01:47:10,480 and then has to deal with you know a 3017 01:47:15,750 --> 01:47:13,520 stomach upset or the dog has pissed all 3018 01:47:17,910 --> 01:47:15,760 over the couch or that still happens to 3019 01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:17,920 these people and their lives 3020 01:47:21,830 --> 01:47:20,960 absolutely absolutely yeah you know what 3021 01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:21,840 yeah 3022 01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:26,320 people that have you know done something 3023 01:47:30,870 --> 01:47:28,800 really good and got on there you know 3024 01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:30,880 they're on tv that's a big deal to some 3025 01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:32,400 people um 3026 01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:33,920 you know to me it's just 3027 01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:36,080 it's an avenue to get information out i 3028 01:47:39,669 --> 01:47:37,760 just finished um 3029 01:47:41,669 --> 01:47:39,679 uh filming a series that will be on the 3030 01:47:42,870 --> 01:47:41,679 history channel very shortly 3031 01:47:44,629 --> 01:47:42,880 and 3032 01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:44,639 you know it's about all of it it's about 3033 01:47:48,550 --> 01:47:47,119 all of it but it's this show is not for 3034 01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:48,560 ufo people 3035 01:47:52,310 --> 01:47:50,320 this show is for people that know 3036 01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:52,320 nothing about us or nothing about the 3037 01:47:53,990 --> 01:47:53,280 topic 3038 01:47:57,669 --> 01:47:54,000 so 3039 01:47:58,709 --> 01:47:57,679 starting at a very basic elementary 3040 01:48:00,870 --> 01:47:58,719 level 3041 01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:00,880 and hopefully each season just gets you 3042 01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:03,280 know just a little more complicated but 3043 01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:04,880 we can't just throw 3044 01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:07,520 the biggest out there and expect the 3045 01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:09,360 public and i think that's where a lot of 3046 01:48:12,709 --> 01:48:10,080 the 3047 01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:12,719 interest or dis interest is 3048 01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:15,360 you had an explosive story not only in 3049 01:48:19,669 --> 01:48:17,440 the new york times but on mainstream 3050 01:48:22,229 --> 01:48:19,679 media that they're actually saying if 3051 01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:22,239 this is true it's the largest 3052 01:48:27,030 --> 01:48:25,119 story in humanity and he's absolutely 3053 01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:27,040 right that was tucker carlson he's 3054 01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:28,560 absolutely right 3055 01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:30,800 where was the aftermath of people 3056 01:48:34,149 --> 01:48:32,400 freaking out and you know just even 3057 01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:34,159 wanting information it just didn't 3058 01:48:37,510 --> 01:48:35,119 happen 3059 01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:37,520 and i think it's because they get a big 3060 01:48:42,310 --> 01:48:39,360 big chunk like that they don't know how 3061 01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,320 to process so part of this show is 3062 01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:44,159 really basic 3063 01:48:48,470 --> 01:48:46,000 there's one part where you know somebody 3064 01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:48,480 filmed something i'm like i understand 3065 01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:51,119 why they think this is a ufo but it's 3066 01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:53,520 really this um but i understand that 3067 01:48:56,470 --> 01:48:54,960 because i you know you don't want to put 3068 01:48:58,830 --> 01:48:56,480 people down because you know they get 3069 01:49:01,350 --> 01:48:58,840 excited because they see something weird 3070 01:49:03,350 --> 01:49:01,360 but i think that's where we are at this 3071 01:49:06,149 --> 01:49:03,360 point if we could do anything even like 3072 01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:06,159 on ufo twitter is to also remember that 3073 01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:08,080 we have new people or our people that 3074 01:49:11,830 --> 01:49:09,840 don't even really let us know they're 3075 01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:11,840 watching 3076 01:49:15,990 --> 01:49:12,719 you know 3077 01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:16,000 we have to remember that we could be the 3078 01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:18,960 teachers or we can be the um 3079 01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:20,400 leaders 3080 01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:22,560 or the most sincere you know the people 3081 01:49:25,589 --> 01:49:24,000 that you're going to believe 3082 01:49:30,390 --> 01:49:25,599 um 3083 01:49:32,470 --> 01:49:30,400 twitter i believe i don't i don't have 3084 01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:32,480 to check their stories because they've 3085 01:49:35,350 --> 01:49:34,000 already had that reputation they've 3086 01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:35,360 already been vetted i've already checked 3087 01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:37,440 them 20 times you know now they've 3088 01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:39,360 earned that already so 3089 01:49:43,990 --> 01:49:42,639 um but even like carl and you know akum 3090 01:49:46,790 --> 01:49:44,000 and you know some of the people out 3091 01:49:48,709 --> 01:49:46,800 there joyce and you know foyer boy and 3092 01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:48,719 you know some of these people out there 3093 01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:51,840 you know there's also friendships and 3094 01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:53,840 people are starting to come together and 3095 01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:56,080 like i said earlier you know deep you 3096 01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:58,320 know i i know he does something 3097 01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:00,400 um that i really really needed in an 3098 01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:02,800 investigation and he stood right up he 3099 01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:05,199 was amazing so you know 3100 01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:07,119 but we also have to remember we have to 3101 01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:09,520 be the teachers 3102 01:50:13,589 --> 01:50:11,520 not everybody knows what we do not 3103 01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:13,599 everybody's at the level we are on 3104 01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:15,679 information and some people don't want 3105 01:50:20,229 --> 01:50:18,000 to be either as you kind of find out as 3106 01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:20,239 you go along and have those discussions 3107 01:50:23,910 --> 01:50:21,920 oh my god 3108 01:50:25,350 --> 01:50:23,920 yeah i don't know what and the last 3109 01:50:27,669 --> 01:50:25,360 question before i move on to the quick 3110 01:50:29,669 --> 01:50:27,679 fire round and finish off um from darn 3111 01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:29,679 stadium and i think i'm going to tweak 3112 01:50:33,669 --> 01:50:31,679 this one slightly because in the context 3113 01:50:36,149 --> 01:50:33,679 of the questions probably about opening 3114 01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,159 out there but given the first experience 3115 01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:38,400 you talked about i'll get there so he 3116 01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:40,159 had asked or they had asked what would 3117 01:50:44,229 --> 01:50:42,000 you say to an alien being during a 3118 01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:44,239 contact experience but i would love to 3119 01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:46,080 frame that and take you back to that 3120 01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:48,000 night in the field when you came into 3121 01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:51,199 contact with this little grey being if 3122 01:50:55,109 --> 01:50:52,719 you could go back to that sort of 3123 01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:55,119 incident or have you know 3124 01:50:59,270 --> 01:50:56,719 i hope it doesn't happen unless you want 3125 01:51:01,109 --> 01:50:59,280 it to an abduction experience 3126 01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:01,119 again maybe 3127 01:51:04,550 --> 01:51:03,119 so you don't yeah so that's not 3128 01:51:05,830 --> 01:51:04,560 something most people want to happen 3129 01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:05,840 even the ones that say they would like 3130 01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:06,639 it 3131 01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:08,480 what would you say to a being if you 3132 01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:10,159 came into contact with them again or 3133 01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:12,080 what would you want to 3134 01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:14,320 yeah the first thing i'd ask them is you 3135 01:51:18,709 --> 01:51:16,400 know why are you here 3136 01:51:21,430 --> 01:51:18,719 what is it about you know earth or 3137 01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:21,440 humans you know that you're most 3138 01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:23,280 interested in you know maybe we can help 3139 01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:25,040 you or you know answer some questions 3140 01:51:28,709 --> 01:51:26,880 for you or something and probably 3141 01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:28,719 another question would be like do you 3142 01:51:33,750 --> 01:51:30,880 guys know who shot kennedy 3143 01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:35,510 i like it i like it right under there 3144 01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:38,400 there's a geist of culture um listen 3145 01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:40,239 there were so many topics and thank you 3146 01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:41,760 to everyone first off who sent in 3147 01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:43,440 questions there was even more than that 3148 01:51:47,270 --> 01:51:45,679 but i'll hopefully save that for a next 3149 01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:47,280 time with with chase because it's been 3150 01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:49,199 great talking to her um some of the 3151 01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:50,800 things we didn't get to discuss i've put 3152 01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:53,280 into the quickfire round so you can say 3153 01:51:58,149 --> 01:51:55,440 as little or as much about each topic as 3154 01:52:00,310 --> 01:51:58,159 you want to um it can be one word or you 3155 01:52:01,669 --> 01:52:00,320 know paragraph sentences tell us a story 3156 01:52:02,629 --> 01:52:01,679 if you have to is that okay with your 3157 01:52:05,430 --> 01:52:02,639 chase 3158 01:52:07,750 --> 01:52:05,440 it is fire away awesome so the first one 3159 01:52:11,189 --> 01:52:07,760 would be what do you think is happening 3160 01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:11,199 with the whole abduction phenomenon 3161 01:52:16,310 --> 01:52:13,520 i believe that some people that report 3162 01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:16,320 that their abductees are not and i do 3163 01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,639 believe there is a whole bunch of people 3164 01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:20,400 who are 3165 01:52:25,270 --> 01:52:22,800 okay i'd like to follow that up do you 3166 01:52:27,350 --> 01:52:25,280 think that some of those genuine 3167 01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:27,360 abductions are 3168 01:52:31,990 --> 01:52:30,320 earthly origin as in potentially own 3169 01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:32,000 governments doing the abductions or do 3170 01:52:35,350 --> 01:52:33,520 you think that would be too 3171 01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:35,360 too much of our strength 3172 01:52:39,189 --> 01:52:37,760 you know i i didn't always and there was 3173 01:52:40,709 --> 01:52:39,199 a big part of me that just didn't want 3174 01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:40,719 to like deal with it and then you learn 3175 01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:42,239 about some of the things our government 3176 01:52:46,790 --> 01:52:44,400 has actually done and then you listen to 3177 01:52:48,950 --> 01:52:46,800 people and who are these witnesses when 3178 01:52:51,270 --> 01:52:48,960 you start vetting these witnesses they 3179 01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:51,280 have no reason to lie there they have no 3180 01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:52,880 reason to come out and do this and their 3181 01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:55,599 character is solid so yes i do believe 3182 01:52:59,189 --> 01:52:57,199 it 3183 01:53:01,750 --> 01:52:59,199 the next one would be your overall 3184 01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:01,760 thoughts on the famous 2004 nimitz 3185 01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:05,760 princeton incident what actually went on 3186 01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:07,840 exactly what they say you know you look 3187 01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:10,320 at like kevin day and and fraver and 3188 01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:12,480 these guys um they come from the same 3189 01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:14,960 arena i do they have no reason to lie 3190 01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:17,199 and fabricate it's not part of what they 3191 01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:21,040 are or or their world it's just not and 3192 01:53:25,910 --> 01:53:23,199 to come out public like that 3193 01:53:28,709 --> 01:53:25,920 you know when you have all these other 3194 01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:28,719 um fighter pilots it's like i know what 3195 01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:30,800 that takes my husband knows what that 3196 01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:33,599 takes and i absolutely believe 3197 01:53:36,629 --> 01:53:34,880 everything they're saying or they 3198 01:53:39,990 --> 01:53:36,639 wouldn't have come out 3199 01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:40,000 is that us tech or something else 3200 01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:41,760 um i believe it's something else 3201 01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:42,960 absolutely 3202 01:53:46,070 --> 01:53:44,000 okay 3203 01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:46,080 next one would be the wilson davis 3204 01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:48,480 documents or memos 3205 01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:51,280 your thoughts absolutely true 3206 01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:52,880 100 3207 01:53:58,870 --> 01:53:56,400 yep awesome i i would i would agree with 3208 01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:58,880 that and i think there's probably more 3209 01:54:02,550 --> 01:54:01,360 to come from those uh in the future 3210 01:54:06,070 --> 01:54:02,560 hopefully 3211 01:54:07,030 --> 01:54:06,080 uh your thoughts on the bob lazar story 3212 01:54:08,870 --> 01:54:07,040 the what 3213 01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:08,880 bob lazar 3214 01:54:14,870 --> 01:54:13,360 he's so controversial um 3215 01:54:18,149 --> 01:54:14,880 i think he got caught between a rock and 3216 01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:18,159 a hard place and but the fact that you 3217 01:54:23,589 --> 01:54:19,599 have 3218 01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:23,599 george knapp involved or even jeremy um 3219 01:54:28,149 --> 01:54:25,760 george knapp from the beginning 3220 01:54:29,910 --> 01:54:28,159 i'm willing to give this guy 3221 01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:29,920 the um 3222 01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:32,000 you know i'm willing to give him 3223 01:54:36,470 --> 01:54:34,480 the benefit of the doubt 3224 01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:36,480 absolutely because when george knapp 3225 01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:38,320 says he sees what 3226 01:54:40,709 --> 01:54:39,840 he's claiming 3227 01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:40,719 done 3228 01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:42,560 so yeah i'm going to believe him i guess 3229 01:54:45,990 --> 01:54:44,159 not on everything 3230 01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:46,000 but on the initial stuff 3231 01:54:49,270 --> 01:54:47,280 okay 3232 01:54:51,189 --> 01:54:49,280 and like we said even if 3233 01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:51,199 ten percent of what bubbles are talked 3234 01:54:56,390 --> 01:54:53,920 about is true then that's pretty 3235 01:54:57,350 --> 01:54:56,400 incredible in itself so i i would take 3236 01:55:00,790 --> 01:54:57,360 that 3237 01:55:02,709 --> 01:55:00,800 for you as the the right term to use ufo 3238 01:55:05,830 --> 01:55:02,719 or uap 3239 01:55:07,830 --> 01:55:05,840 uap actually brings it into a level that 3240 01:55:11,270 --> 01:55:07,840 we can discuss with professional people 3241 01:55:12,310 --> 01:55:11,280 like you know dc and whatever 3242 01:55:14,950 --> 01:55:12,320 but 3243 01:55:16,870 --> 01:55:14,960 i listen to a radio show from richard 3244 01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:16,880 dolan who says 3245 01:55:21,510 --> 01:55:19,840 we have to keep ufos because that also 3246 01:55:24,149 --> 01:55:21,520 reminds us of everything that happened 3247 01:55:25,030 --> 01:55:24,159 before the nimitz and all of that so for 3248 01:55:27,109 --> 01:55:25,040 me 3249 01:55:29,109 --> 01:55:27,119 um 3250 01:55:32,149 --> 01:55:29,119 i'm going uap 3251 01:55:35,910 --> 01:55:32,159 with a very fondness of let's not forget 3252 01:55:38,310 --> 01:55:35,920 that these ufos have been here before 3253 01:55:40,470 --> 01:55:38,320 uh i like that and ultimately i called 3254 01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:40,480 my podcast that ufo podcast and i'd 3255 01:55:46,149 --> 01:55:43,360 deliberate the the uap part but i agree 3256 01:55:48,709 --> 01:55:46,159 with your sentiments two more um your 3257 01:55:51,109 --> 01:55:48,719 thoughts on skinwalker ranch 3258 01:55:52,310 --> 01:55:51,119 skinwalker ranch um there's actually 3259 01:55:55,189 --> 01:55:52,320 another place 3260 01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:55,199 you know it's not as unique or 3261 01:55:59,589 --> 01:55:57,760 alone as possible i do believe a lot of 3262 01:56:01,430 --> 01:55:59,599 stuff's going on there because you look 3263 01:56:03,589 --> 01:56:01,440 at the caliber of people that were 3264 01:56:06,470 --> 01:56:03,599 investigating again these weren't you 3265 01:56:09,109 --> 01:56:06,480 know boots on the ground um civilian 3266 01:56:10,950 --> 01:56:09,119 grassroots people these were scientists 3267 01:56:11,830 --> 01:56:10,960 military personnel 3268 01:56:15,109 --> 01:56:11,840 and 3269 01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:15,119 about it way back then 3270 01:56:18,790 --> 01:56:17,360 right now it it's because they can say a 3271 01:56:21,430 --> 01:56:18,800 little more they can put a little more 3272 01:56:22,229 --> 01:56:21,440 out there but you have like red gate up 3273 01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:22,239 in 3274 01:56:26,870 --> 01:56:25,040 montana and if you just look up some of 3275 01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:26,880 the stuff of that area 3276 01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:29,920 it will blow your mind 3277 01:56:34,149 --> 01:56:31,760 skin walker on steroids and there's 3278 01:56:36,070 --> 01:56:34,159 several other places too um 3279 01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:36,080 you know about you know that have that 3280 01:56:41,510 --> 01:56:38,320 same phenomena so what that does is 3281 01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:41,520 actually tells us that skinwalker may 3282 01:56:43,430 --> 01:56:42,480 not be 3283 01:56:45,189 --> 01:56:43,440 fake 3284 01:56:47,030 --> 01:56:45,199 because the same stuff's going on here 3285 01:56:49,750 --> 01:56:47,040 been reported for decades it's going on 3286 01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:49,760 here and there so yeah that's my take on 3287 01:56:52,629 --> 01:56:51,119 that 3288 01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:52,639 since you've brought them up a few times 3289 01:56:56,149 --> 01:56:54,480 i'd like to follow that up very slightly 3290 01:56:58,310 --> 01:56:56,159 so you've mentioned bob bigelow bob 3291 01:57:00,470 --> 01:56:58,320 bigelow famously owned skinwalker ranch 3292 01:57:02,790 --> 01:57:00,480 before brandon fugo 3293 01:57:05,109 --> 01:57:02,800 if you're bob bigelow and you have the 3294 01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:05,119 interest in the subject that you do and 3295 01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:06,560 the knowledge that you do and this is 3296 01:57:12,070 --> 01:57:09,440 someone who sat on was it 60 minutes and 3297 01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:12,080 declared that alien beings are already 3298 01:57:15,189 --> 01:57:13,840 on the planet and walk amongst us and 3299 01:57:17,189 --> 01:57:15,199 it's quite a big thing for someone like 3300 01:57:18,550 --> 01:57:17,199 that to say you know and as i said he 3301 01:57:20,709 --> 01:57:18,560 doesn't give a damn 3302 01:57:22,830 --> 01:57:20,719 why do you sell a property like 3303 01:57:25,910 --> 01:57:22,840 skinwalker ranch if it's so 3304 01:57:27,350 --> 01:57:25,920 unique i think because he had all the 3305 01:57:28,470 --> 01:57:27,360 investment 3306 01:57:30,390 --> 01:57:28,480 or all the 3307 01:57:32,870 --> 01:57:30,400 his his answers were quite or his 3308 01:57:35,109 --> 01:57:32,880 questions were answered and 3309 01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:35,119 there's a lot of things that i believe 3310 01:57:40,390 --> 01:57:37,360 he could also come out with 3311 01:57:41,350 --> 01:57:40,400 um unfortunately in the meantime 3312 01:57:43,750 --> 01:57:41,360 um 3313 01:57:45,830 --> 01:57:43,760 his his business has suffered 3314 01:57:48,310 --> 01:57:45,840 a catastrophic you know laying off all 3315 01:57:50,070 --> 01:57:48,320 these employees and he lost his wife 3316 01:57:52,070 --> 01:57:50,080 and so right now he's probably not 3317 01:57:54,070 --> 01:57:52,080 thinking of ufos and i i got that 3318 01:57:56,229 --> 01:57:54,080 actually because i contacted george 3319 01:57:58,709 --> 01:57:56,239 knapp by email and i'm like hey any 3320 01:58:00,629 --> 01:57:58,719 chance bigelow's just gonna say you know 3321 01:58:03,109 --> 01:58:00,639 all this is coming out this is what i 3322 01:58:05,750 --> 01:58:03,119 have and that's what george reminded me 3323 01:58:08,629 --> 01:58:05,760 of is is again like not everybody is 3324 01:58:11,189 --> 01:58:08,639 like me that thinks ufos 24 7. that this 3325 01:58:12,149 --> 01:58:11,199 guy's running you know billion dollar 3326 01:58:14,950 --> 01:58:12,159 you know 3327 01:58:17,109 --> 01:58:14,960 businesses and he just lost his wife so 3328 01:58:19,589 --> 01:58:17,119 um 3329 01:58:20,629 --> 01:58:19,599 yeah i think i think bigelow's selling 3330 01:58:21,990 --> 01:58:20,639 it was 3331 01:58:24,070 --> 01:58:22,000 his 3332 01:58:25,910 --> 01:58:24,080 questions were answered 3333 01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:25,920 okay time for someone else to ask some 3334 01:58:30,310 --> 01:58:27,920 different questions maybe 3335 01:58:32,550 --> 01:58:30,320 yeah i've even done that investigations 3336 01:58:35,350 --> 01:58:32,560 like i go and i'll do one and then i'll 3337 01:58:38,070 --> 01:58:35,360 call another team and i usually use used 3338 01:58:39,990 --> 01:58:38,080 to use like oklahoma ufo group and you 3339 01:58:43,109 --> 01:58:40,000 call them in because you want them to 3340 01:58:45,669 --> 01:58:43,119 see what they can get because 3341 01:58:46,950 --> 01:58:45,679 you know it could either help your case 3342 01:58:47,750 --> 01:58:46,960 in strength 3343 01:58:51,189 --> 01:58:47,760 or 3344 01:58:53,189 --> 01:58:51,199 to answer so 3345 01:58:54,950 --> 01:58:53,199 so i love that he he did right by that 3346 01:58:56,550 --> 01:58:54,960 it's the right thing to do 3347 01:58:58,629 --> 01:58:56,560 and i suppose it's like any guest i 3348 01:58:59,990 --> 01:58:58,639 speak to on the podcast it's never been 3349 01:59:02,390 --> 01:59:00,000 their first interview and it won't be 3350 01:59:03,830 --> 01:59:02,400 the last either i would hope and it's 3351 01:59:05,430 --> 01:59:03,840 maybe i'm just going to ask a different 3352 01:59:07,510 --> 01:59:05,440 question to someone else and maybe they 3353 01:59:09,030 --> 01:59:07,520 get a little bit different context or 3354 01:59:10,470 --> 01:59:09,040 maybe the questions are just relevant to 3355 01:59:11,830 --> 01:59:10,480 be asked again and have the answers 3356 01:59:13,830 --> 01:59:11,840 heard so 3357 01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:13,840 you know which makes you a good 3358 01:59:19,189 --> 01:59:16,560 host 3359 01:59:21,750 --> 01:59:19,199 thank you and on that the last one is 3360 01:59:23,910 --> 01:59:21,760 looking for your opinion on disclosure 3361 01:59:25,669 --> 01:59:23,920 are we seeing it what is it what's 3362 01:59:28,709 --> 01:59:25,679 happening 3363 01:59:30,390 --> 01:59:28,719 yeah i i honestly think um we have it i 3364 01:59:32,149 --> 01:59:30,400 mean when you have the government openly 3365 01:59:34,390 --> 01:59:32,159 talking about it the president's like 3366 01:59:36,790 --> 01:59:34,400 well you know i don't believe much of it 3367 01:59:38,629 --> 01:59:36,800 but you know my pilots 3368 01:59:39,910 --> 01:59:38,639 you know so there's a consideration he 3369 01:59:42,830 --> 01:59:39,920 has that you know we have to remember 3370 01:59:45,750 --> 01:59:42,840 this guy gets bombarded with everything 3371 01:59:46,950 --> 01:59:45,760 obama bush all of them did and then you 3372 01:59:48,950 --> 01:59:46,960 bring something to a table can you 3373 01:59:51,589 --> 01:59:48,960 imagine being the guy that has to say 3374 01:59:53,990 --> 01:59:51,599 so mr president 3375 01:59:56,310 --> 01:59:54,000 we have these objects we don't know 3376 01:59:59,750 --> 01:59:56,320 what they are in our skies so they're 3377 02:00:02,229 --> 01:59:59,760 kind of ufo i would hate to be that guy 3378 02:00:03,510 --> 02:00:02,239 like he'd be like what like all the crap 3379 02:00:06,550 --> 02:00:03,520 on my desk right now and you're telling 3380 02:00:09,270 --> 02:00:06,560 me about a ufo so um i do think it's 3381 02:00:12,390 --> 02:00:09,280 come out um the new york times the fact 3382 02:00:14,310 --> 02:00:12,400 that the mainstream media but also 3383 02:00:16,390 --> 02:00:14,320 the people there's a lot of other people 3384 02:00:18,390 --> 02:00:16,400 we have scientists and people that are 3385 02:00:21,350 --> 02:00:18,400 we're not even talking about that are 3386 02:00:23,669 --> 02:00:21,360 completely investigating all of this now 3387 02:00:24,870 --> 02:00:23,679 what about naval observatory right there 3388 02:00:26,550 --> 02:00:24,880 in dc 3389 02:00:29,109 --> 02:00:26,560 you know i want to find out what they're 3390 02:00:31,910 --> 02:00:29,119 doing you know there there's 3391 02:00:34,550 --> 02:00:31,920 many places we can go and look 3392 02:00:36,070 --> 02:00:34,560 awesome thank you chase uh chase just 3393 02:00:37,669 --> 02:00:36,080 before we wrap up do you want to let the 3394 02:00:40,149 --> 02:00:37,679 listeners know how they can get in touch 3395 02:00:41,910 --> 02:00:40,159 with you discuss your website or any of 3396 02:00:43,350 --> 02:00:41,920 your work 3397 02:00:45,350 --> 02:00:43,360 yeah um 3398 02:00:47,350 --> 02:00:45,360 chasekletsky.com 3399 02:00:50,229 --> 02:00:47,360 and i also have the field reports within 3400 02:00:52,629 --> 02:00:50,239 s dot com where i have like some of my 3401 02:00:54,950 --> 02:00:52,639 favorite cases up it's not all of them 3402 02:00:57,830 --> 02:00:54,960 um but just my favorites 3403 02:00:59,990 --> 02:00:57,840 and i don't do a lot of facebook lately 3404 02:01:02,229 --> 02:01:00,000 because i'm all about ufo twitter i 3405 02:01:03,430 --> 02:01:02,239 swear that's all i spend my time at ufo 3406 02:01:05,270 --> 02:01:03,440 twitter 3407 02:01:07,910 --> 02:01:05,280 and um if they're not talking about it 3408 02:01:09,669 --> 02:01:07,920 it's not worth talking about so um you 3409 02:01:11,669 --> 02:01:09,679 can find me on twitter it's just chase 3410 02:01:14,310 --> 02:01:11,679 kletzke everything's just my name and 3411 02:01:15,270 --> 02:01:14,320 whatever at yahoo 3412 02:01:17,109 --> 02:01:15,280 you know 3413 02:01:18,709 --> 02:01:17,119 it's just yeah 3414 02:01:19,990 --> 02:01:18,719 so chase it's been wonderful speaking 3415 02:01:21,350 --> 02:01:20,000 with you hopefully it's not the last 3416 02:01:22,870 --> 02:01:21,360 time and we'll definitely do this again 3417 02:01:24,390 --> 02:01:22,880 because i feel there's a lot more to 3418 02:01:26,390 --> 02:01:24,400 talk about 3419 02:01:28,950 --> 02:01:26,400 i had the best time i was so looking 3420 02:01:31,589 --> 02:01:28,960 forward to it you rock i'm a huge fan of 3421 02:01:33,189 --> 02:01:31,599 the podcast and anytime you want me back 3422 02:01:34,709 --> 02:01:33,199 i'm yours mister 3423 02:01:35,510 --> 02:01:34,719 thanks i'll take you up on that thanks 3424 02:01:37,589 --> 02:01:35,520 chase 3425 02:01:39,589 --> 02:01:37,599 that is all for this week's show thank 3426 02:01:41,589 --> 02:01:39,599 you very much for listening please 3427 02:01:44,229 --> 02:01:41,599 remember to leave the podcaster review 3428 02:01:46,550 --> 02:01:44,239 on your chosen platform you can like 3429 02:01:48,470 --> 02:01:46,560 retweet and subscribe that would all be 3430 02:01:50,629 --> 02:01:48,480 very much appreciated the shows are 3431 02:01:52,149 --> 02:01:50,639 being uploaded on youtube as we speak 3432 02:01:54,629 --> 02:01:52,159 more and more you can sign up at 3433 02:01:57,350 --> 02:01:54,639 patreon.com forward slash that ufo 3434 02:01:59,589 --> 02:01:57,360 podcast to access shows ad free as well 3435 02:02:02,390 --> 02:01:59,599 please get in touch on twitter facebook 3436 02:02:05,589 --> 02:02:02,400 instagram that ufo podcast of course on 3437 02:02:07,669 --> 02:02:05,599 twitter it's at ufouapam 3438 02:02:10,750 --> 02:02:07,679 and again folks as always keep looking 3439 02:02:31,030 --> 02:02:10,760 up you never know what you might see 3440 02:02:37,870 --> 02:02:33,030 an issue i don't think he expected me to 3441 02:02:46,790 --> 02:02:44,870 [Music] 3442 02:02:48,310 --> 02:02:46,800 meditative 3443 02:02:49,910 --> 02:02:48,320 i can't imagine how it could have been 3444 02:03:00,520 --> 02:02:49,920 any better 3445 02:03:00,530 --> 02:03:07,589 [Music] 3446 02:03:13,189 --> 02:03:08,870 there was something on my head and 3447 02:03:21,460 --> 02:03:14,390 they thought it was a everything they 3448 02:03:21,470 --> 02:03:36,070 [Music] 3449 02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:41,430 and what's that 3450 02:04:08,390 --> 02:03:45,990 [Music] 3451 02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:13,030 what's that 3452 02:04:29,350 --> 02:04:15,920 foreign 3453 02:05:07,350 --> 02:04:49,980 [Music]